israel does not want peace

by bw Wed Jul 09, 2014 6:01 pm

"Rejectionism is embedded in Israel's most primal beliefs. There, at the deepest level, lies the concept that this land is destined for the Jews alone."

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israel-peace-conference/1.601112

by nevada Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:57 pm

And neither does Hummus. If all is quiet and well where will the money come from?

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Wed Jul 09, 2014 11:14 pm

Total Garbage....kombolete Garbage... If Israel wanted to "eliminate" Palestinians andabsorb all of west bank/gaza, it would take just 1 week and it could have accomplished that using any number of rocketing and wars as a pretext. But it has not. it is the Palestinians who REFUSE to recognize Israel and its right to exist. Palestinians haves steadfastly demanded Jerusalem and has not even agreed to defer talks on it.

I heard this woman say it on NPR: Al-Shabab, Al-Queda, ISIL, Taleban or LeT whoever it is and whatever country they are from they all swear by one thing and one book only. The Koran, iSlam, and Jihad.... iSlam is the root cause of all ills and its agnda to convert and conquer the whole world by any means include conversion through marriage, killing, threatening, and coersion. That is one reason no matter what type of muslim one is - moderate, secular, progressive, jihadist they never criticise one another and never allow any muslim to marry from outside.

Israel should teach these bozos one unforgettable lesson. yes killing of women and children is bad, but it is the same palestinian women and children who celebrate, throw stones, and swear to destroy iSrael.

by Kris Thu Jul 10, 2014 1:43 am

bw wrote:"Rejectionism is embedded in Israel's most primal beliefs. There, at the deepest level, lies the concept that this land is destined for the Jews alone."

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israel-peace-conference/1.601112

>>>Unfortunately peace is not the goal of the Palestinians either, egged on by their sponsors. This is a no-win situation.

by MaxEntropy_Man Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:08 am

Kris wrote:
bw wrote:"Rejectionism is embedded in Israel's most primal beliefs. There, at the deepest level, lies the concept that this land is destined for the Jews alone."

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israel-peace-conference/1.601112

>>>Unfortunately peace is not the goal of the Palestinians either, egged on by their sponsors. This is a no-win situation.

but that's widely recognized in the west. what isn't as widely recognized is what the author of this article is pointing out.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:36 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Kris wrote:
bw wrote:"Rejectionism is embedded in Israel's most primal beliefs. There, at the deepest level, lies the concept that this land is destined for the Jews alone."

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israel-peace-conference/1.601112

>>>Unfortunately peace is not the goal of the Palestinians either, egged on by their sponsors. This is a no-win situation.

but that's widely recognized in the west. what isn't as widely recognized is what the author of this article is pointing out.

OIC, the UmmaH group of 75+ countries, vociferously and unanimously support Palestinians - no matter how flawed the Palestinian-their sponsors position is. If the West also criticizes Israel where is the balance? You really think this OIC and backers will think rationally when it comes to Israel or India?

Let us say the West recognizes all of israel's retribation and condemns it, Behavior of iSrael might change...but do you expect this to change the behavior of the OIC and Palestinians?

Who started this latest round ? who killed the 3 iSraeli teenagers? The Ummah should be forced to learn that whenever they start an episode they better face the consequences without whining. Now, that is the brave Mohammadan way... Razz

by Kris Thu Jul 10, 2014 10:37 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Kris wrote:
bw wrote:"Rejectionism is embedded in Israel's most primal beliefs. There, at the deepest level, lies the concept that this land is destined for the Jews alone."

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israel-peace-conference/1.601112

>>>Unfortunately peace is not the goal of the Palestinians either, egged on by their sponsors. This is a no-win situation.

but that's widely recognized in the west. what isn't as widely recognized is what the author of this article is pointing out.

>>>The ground realities in this conflict are black and white, if you look at it from the Israeli POV. No amount of handwringing in Israel among folks like the author is going to bring about a similar mindset in any meaningful way in the Palestinian/Arab world. The proactive measures that the author would like to see on Israel's part, with no quid pro quo is very idealistic and almost Gandhian, but would be suicidal. Of course, the West's take on the conflict can be seen as a successful PR ploy by Israel, but from Israel's POV it is a necessity. The Western political establishment is not exactly made up of nuanced thinkers who can think through all these things. The India/Pakistan conflict is a case in point where there is this weird imagined equivalence between an epicenter of terrorism and a democracy. It is simply a matter of expediency for the West and Israel is trying to preempt that.

by MaxEntropy_Man Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:48 am

Kris wrote:

>>>The ground realities in this conflict are black and white, if you look at it from the Israeli POV.

likewise the palestinian POV. i think this time the playing field of world opinion has been somewhat leveled because of social media. i heard a discussion on NPR about how the 65+ in the US are solidly behind israel and the 29- solidly behind palestine and people in the middle are all over the place. in europe opinion is much more divided than in the US.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Wed Jul 30, 2014 11:16 am

There is a good - very good - possibility that this whole thing was orchestrated by Syria or ISIS or other agents of Hamas for diversion and engage US and to pain US-Israel as anti-arab/muslim.

Why else 3 innocent teenagers would be killed out of the blue? This is similar to throwing a piece of Pork into a mosque on Friday.

by confuzzled dude Wed Jul 30, 2014 12:31 pm

makes sense, especially given recent happenings like repeated bombings of UN run schools. If U.S. were (like) Israel they would've bombed all those kids at the border and painted it as workings of drug cartel.

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