Andhra Capital - is geographic center a requirement?

by indophile Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:19 am

Capital need not be in the geographic center.
Examples are Madras, Bombay, Calcutta, Trivandrum, none of which is geographically in the middle of the state. So AP Urban Development Minister P. Narayana's arguments for Vijayawada - Guntur don't hold water. Even Delhi is not at the geographic center of the country.
The main requirement should be vast amounts of cheap (or free) undeveloped non-agricultural land with a dependable source for plenty of water nearby. Infrastructure like an airport, roads, etc., will follow.

by indophile Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:33 am

kommineni.info says pretty much the same thing.

http://kommineni.info/articles/dailyarticles/content_20140729_6.php?p=1406625124418

by nevada Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:53 am

I think you may have explained the reason before but why is Vizag not a choice?

by indophile Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:58 am

I doubt you can get chaeap land around Vizag. Also, it's best to select a place that' not developed now, and develop it.

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:41 pm

indophile wrote:I doubt you can get chaeap land around Vizag. Also, it's best to select a place that' not developed now, and develop it.

Srungavarapu Kota/Saluru area is scenic and land is not expensive. Araku is close. Once Polavaram is finished and a canal to Vizag is created, water won't be a problem. Govt. employees can smell smapenga poolu, eat panasa pallu and go to Araku for weekends. They can even watch appalammalu smoking chuttalu and standing still on the side of roads and if they are lucky, have a "lively chat" with Naxalites.

by Seva Lamberdar Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:49 pm

More wastage of the public resources and farm land to create Govt. buildings for the new capital.

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Tue Jul 29, 2014 2:06 pm

Seva Lamberdar wrote:More wastage of the public resources and farm land to create Govt. buildings for the new capital.

For AP, the real issue is - whether it is smart to have the capital in an area that is not central.

They all went to Hyderabad when it was the capital. Then, Hyderabad was given (along with its revenue) to Telangana.

If the capital is built in Rayalaseema and, in future, if Rayalaseema wants to seperate, AP will again go through the same agony.

The situation with Vizag as the capital will be similar. Northern AP is also backward. If they separate in future, the residuary AP won't have a capital.

Andhra University, the oldest in the state, was originally sanctioned for Vijayawada but was shifted to Vizag after people played politics. In fact, until recently, Vijayawada was not treated well when it came to building educational institutions.

So, this time, they are being very cautious and want to have the capital close to the center of the state while having a diversified development throughout.

by indophile Tue Jul 29, 2014 2:15 pm

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:
indophile wrote:I doubt you can get chaeap land around Vizag. Also, it's best to select a place that' not developed now, and develop it.
Srungavarapu Kota/Saluru area is scenic and land is not expensive. Araku is close. Once Polavaram is finished and a canal to Vizag is created, water won't be a problem. Govt. employees can smell smapenga poolu, eat panasa pallu and go to Araku for weekends. They can even watch appalammalu smoking chuttalu and standing still on the side of roads and if they are lucky, have a "lively chat" with Naxalites.

Salur is called the "Sewer of Andhra Pradesh." When we bargain for a taxi to our place from Vizag, one of the conditions laid down invariably is that the taxi guy must not stop in Salur (which is on the way) for his tea (after Salur its all mountains and ghat roads to cross into Orissa and on to our town, and the taxi drivers and truck/bus drivers generally would like to have a cup of tea before they hit the mountains). We are so scared of Salur that even a one minute stop therer might infect you with something; it's so bad.

by smArtha Tue Jul 29, 2014 2:17 pm

indophile wrote:I doubt you can get chaeap land around Vizag. Also, it's best to select a place that' not developed now, and develop it.

Where in Andhra do we get cheap land now? Where ever the Govt. announces the Capital the prices there will sky rocket from about 10lacs/acre to 10crore/acre.

by indophile Tue Jul 29, 2014 2:24 pm

By cheap, I mean relatively cheap, not Rs. 15-20 crore/acre. May be in the Rs. 1-5 lakh/acre is affordable considering AP is almost bankrupt right now, and the Center will not be willing to rain 100s of crores on Naidu to build his Singapore-type capital. If there is plenty of govt. land available, it's even better, because it's free. And the govt can sell the land away from the core of the capital at exorbitant prices to investors and make money in the process. It looks like Vijayawada-Guntur does exactly the opposite.

by indophile Tue Jul 29, 2014 2:38 pm

Why Amaravati? I am persuaded by this report.

by smArtha Tue Jul 29, 2014 2:41 pm

indophile wrote:Why Amaravati? I am persuaded by this report.

Are you guaranteeing availability of about 50k acres @Rs.1-5lakh/acre in Amaravathi?

by indophile Tue Jul 29, 2014 2:54 pm

First, I've not seen anybody claiming a need for 1.5 lakh acres for a capital when the talk is about distributed development. The numbers I've seen are in the range of 30-40K acres. Also, the reports I've seen suggest that if you want 50K - 1 lakh acres free land you must go to Donekonda in Prakasam Dt. Amaravati has about 20 - 25K acre free land and another 20-25 K acres of other land in the Rs. 1 lakh - 3 lakh /acre. And land in the Vijayawada-Guntur corridor appears to be in the Rs. 10-20 crores/acre, and there is no free land there. I've also read reports that the Center will chip in about Rs. 500 crores, and not much more, certainly not 1000s of crores of rupees. With all this Naidu is saddled with his election promise of some Rs. 30-40K loan write-off for farmers. The RBI is okay with rescheduling the loans, but not write-offs. So something has to give somewhere.

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Tue Jul 29, 2014 2:57 pm

I checked recently - Amaravati area: minimum 10 lakhs/acre. If there are floods, even Amaralingeswara swami is also submerged. If you visit the riverbank and see how people behave, you will wonder how Shiva is tolerating the "varada abhishEkam".

Here is a map of the U shaped area between Pulichintala and Kothapalli. In this area, there is a lot of govt. land waiting to be used:

https://www.google.ca/maps/place/Pulichintala,+Andhra+Pradesh+522409,+India/@16.7431022,80.0954819,12z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x3a350bad0a2e0b47:0x45c87fe9f50f6179

by truthbetold Tue Jul 29, 2014 2:59 pm

Indo has a valid point on land cost. western krishna -nuzvid to western guntur - vinukonda is a podsible area. amaravati is in the middle. vp already listed govt lands in these areas. they can build the govt offices in 2 or 3 clusters connected by road and rail. water problem can be solved by krishna river. Power can be generated from solar sources.minimal agricultual land disturbance.

let vza and all those real estate mavens develop private economy. they could become capital region as they are within 20 to 30 km from capital. just like cyberabad near hyd.

by smArtha Tue Jul 29, 2014 3:14 pm

indophile wrote:First, I've not seen anybody claiming a need for 1.5 lakh acres for a capital when the talk is about distributed development. The numbers I've seen are in the range of 30-40K acres. Also, the reports I've seen suggest that if you want 50K - 1 lakh acres free land you must go to Donekonda in Prakasam Dt. Amaravati has about 20 - 25K acre free land and another 20-25 K acres of other land in the Rs. 1 lakh - 3 lakh /acre. And land in the Vijayawada-Guntur corridor appears to be in the Rs. 10-20 crores/acre, and there is no free land there. I've also read reports that the Center will chip in about Rs. 500 crores, and not much more, certainly not 1000s of crores of rupees. With all this Naidu is saddled with his election promise of some Rs. 30-40K loan write-off for farmers. The RBI is okay with rescheduling the loans, but not write-offs. So something has to give somewhere.

Apparently, even in Donekonda area there is only about 30-35K acres of Govt. land. Amaravathi area really has suitable 25K acres available for free? Were there not some recent reports about Sivaramakrishnan committee members claiming that there is no location in Andhra that has even 5K acres of Govt. land available that is neither reserved forest nor farm land and suitable for capital city? If that is true, does the Govt have any option other than to buy or acquire a few thousand acres at market prices? And it is anyone's guess where those market prices will be once Govt. announces a capital city.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/andhra-pradesh/new-ap-capital-donakonda-best-bet-says-concerned-citizens-forum/article6261149.ece

by confuzzled dude Tue Jul 29, 2014 3:19 pm

water problem can be solved by krishna river

This got to be the biggest myth that's been floated around lately. Nope, Krishna river will not solve the water problem; ask the farmers down in Krishna delta, they're already suffering and on top of that building capital upstream will make their situation much worse, mulige nakka mida tatipandu padinattavutundi.

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Tue Jul 29, 2014 3:39 pm

Here is an article in The Hindu (Achampet is close to Kothapalli near the U shaped Krishna river that I referred to):

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/andhra-pradesh/capital-near-delta-may-be-the-right-choice/article6261169.ece?homepage=true

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by confuzzled dude Tue Jul 29, 2014 4:35 pm

smArtha wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
water problem can be solved by krishna river

This got to be the biggest myth that's been floated around lately. Nope, Krishna river will not solve the water problem; ask the farmers down in Krishna delta, they're already suffering and on top of that building capital upstream will make their situation much worse, mulige nakka mida tatipandu padinattavutundi.

Really?!! The whole of Hyderabad's water requirements is projected to be about 1 TMC as of 2025. Already, since early 2000s, about 0.25 TMC of it is being sourced from Krishna river. So even if we project that the new capital's needs are of the same order then we are talking of about 1 TMC per anum. And now consider about 500 TMC of water from Krishna that flows unused every year into the Sea. Where does your 'deprive farmers for supplying to the capital' argument stand?

http://www.waterandmegacities.org/urban-growth-and-its-effect-on-water-supply-demand-in-hyderabad/

Unfortunately Ground realities don't go by bookish numbers this year itself crops got impacted due to water shortage

by smArtha Tue Jul 29, 2014 4:40 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
smArtha wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
water problem can be solved by krishna river

This got to be the biggest myth that's been floated around lately. Nope, Krishna river will not solve the water problem; ask the farmers down in Krishna delta, they're already suffering and on top of that building capital upstream will make their situation much worse, mulige nakka mida tatipandu padinattavutundi.

Really?!! The whole of Hyderabad's water requirements is projected to be about 1 TMC as of 2025. Already, since early 2000s, about 0.25 TMC of it is being sourced from Krishna river. So even if we project that the new capital's needs are of the same order then we are talking of about 1 TMC per anum. And now consider about 500 TMC of water from Krishna that flows unused every year into the Sea. Where does your 'deprive farmers for supplying to the capital' argument stand?

http://www.waterandmegacities.org/urban-growth-and-its-effect-on-water-supply-demand-in-hyderabad/
Unfortunately Ground realities don't go by bookish numbers this year itself crops got impacted due to water shortage

Bookish numbers are based on actual observations and measurements each year instead of perceptions from select newspaper scans.

PS: I got the math wrong before in conversion but the whole of Hyderabad would need about 35-40 TMC each year by around 2025-2030. But the argument still stands.

by truthbetold Tue Jul 29, 2014 4:53 pm

30 tmc is the estimated amount. Polavaram is expected to provide.relief for both drinking water and agriculture.
now that the water myth is busted, what is the next hurdle you want throw in the ring?

by confuzzled dude Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:27 pm

smArtha wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
smArtha wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
water problem can be solved by krishna river

This got to be the biggest myth that's been floated around lately. Nope, Krishna river will not solve the water problem; ask the farmers down in Krishna delta, they're already suffering and on top of that building capital upstream will make their situation much worse, mulige nakka mida tatipandu padinattavutundi.

Really?!! The whole of Hyderabad's water requirements is projected to be about 1 TMC as of 2025. Already, since early 2000s, about 0.25 TMC of it is being sourced from Krishna river. So even if we project that the new capital's needs are of the same order then we are talking of about 1 TMC per anum. And now consider about 500 TMC of water from Krishna that flows unused every year into the Sea. Where does your 'deprive farmers for supplying to the capital' argument stand?

http://www.waterandmegacities.org/urban-growth-and-its-effect-on-water-supply-demand-in-hyderabad/
Unfortunately Ground realities don't go by bookish numbers this year itself crops got impacted due to water shortage

Bookish numbers are based on actual observations and measurements each year instead of perceptions from select newspaper scans.

PS: I got the math wrong before in conversion but the whole of Hyderabad would need about 35-40 TMC each year by around 2025-2030. But the argument still stands.

How much on an average do you think is supplied to both right & left sagar canals? about 100 TMC for one crop season. And you're suggesting 35-40 TMC additional requirement won't have any impact on Andhra farmers!!

by confuzzled dude Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:35 pm

truthbetold wrote:30 tmc is the estimated amount. Polavaram is expected to provide.relief for both drinking water and agriculture.
now that the water myth is busted, what is the next hurdle you want throw in the ring?

huh! problem solved? When do you think Polavaram project was conceived and how long do you think will take for it to be operational? I'm not against the idea of having state capital near Amaravathi rather suggesting to have a thorough & long term plan, and not to assume that plenty of waters will be at disposal for capital city's use just because it is built by the river.

by confuzzled dude Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:39 pm

"Uncertainty continues over the cultivation of 22 lakh acres ayacut spread in five districts in Telangana and Andhra Pradesh under the right and left canals of Nagarjunasagar reservoir as the water has touched dead storage level on Tuesday.

With no inflows from upstream during the entire southwest monsoon, the level in the reservoir was 510-foot level (132 tmcft)."

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/andhra-pradesh/nagarjunasagar-reservoir-touches-dead-storage-level/article6261495.ece

by truthbetold Wed Jul 30, 2014 4:44 am

confuzzled dude wrote:
truthbetold wrote:30 tmc is the estimated amount. Polavaram is expected to provide.relief for both drinking water and agriculture.
now that the water myth is busted, what is the next hurdle you want throw in the ring?
huh! problem solved? When do you think Polavaram project was conceived and how long do you think will take for it to be operational? I'm not against the idea of having state capital near Amaravathi rather suggesting to have a thorough & long term plan, and not to assume that plenty of waters will be at disposal for capital city's use just because it is built by the river.

I think there is no opposition to due diligence .
Do not pay too much for land. Do due diligence. Complete polavaram. Distribute growth. Involve affected people.
simple but necessary principles.

by truthbetold Wed Jul 30, 2014 4:44 am

confuzzled dude wrote:
truthbetold wrote:30 tmc is the estimated amount. Polavaram is expected to provide.relief for both drinking water and agriculture.
now that the water myth is busted, what is the next hurdle you want throw in the ring?
huh! problem solved? When do you think Polavaram project was conceived and how long do you think will take for it to be operational? I'm not against the idea of having state capital near Amaravathi rather suggesting to have a thorough & long term plan, and not to assume that plenty of waters will be at disposal for capital city's use just because it is built by the river.

I think there is no opposition to due diligence .
Do not pay too much for land. Do due diligence. Complete polavaram. Distribute growth. Involve affected people.
simple but necessary principles.

by indophile Wed Jul 30, 2014 7:23 am

smArtha wrote:
indophile wrote:Why Amaravati? I am persuaded by this report.

Are you guaranteeing availability of about 50k acres @Rs.1-5lakh/acre in Amaravathi?

Can't guarantee that. Most of what Iam saying is based on news reports that I read. For example, the following TOI report says that there's about 30K acre govt. land in the area (Amaravati + adjoining areas) and the private land there is about Rs. 10 lakh/acre which is still better than no govt free land + Rs. 10-15 crores/acre in VJA-Guntur corridor.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Andhra-Pradesh-capital-in-Amaravati/articleshow/37602031.cms

by smArtha Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:16 am

indophile wrote:Can't guarantee that. Most of what Iam saying is based on news reports that I read. For example, the following TOI report says that there's about 30K acre govt. land in the area (Amaravati + adjoining areas) and the private land there is about Rs. 10 lakh/acre which is still better than no govt free land + Rs. 10-15 crores/acre in VJA-Guntur corridor.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Andhra-Pradesh-capital-in-Amaravati/articleshow/37602031.cms

Indo gAru,

The per acre prices in the Mangalagiri region were also in the 10-25lacs/acre just few months ago. Only after the bifurcation and the news leaks that it could be a capital region the prices towered to 10+crore/acre. This will be the same story whichever area of Andhra or even Seema we take. Once there is any indication of chances to be a capital region, prices in that area will shoot up to that range. So the only choice, if Govt doesn't want to exercise some special executive/legal options, is to select an area that has about 25-50K+ acres of Govt land and this makes only Donekonda region qualify for the same.

by indophile Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:49 am

smArtha wrote:
indophile wrote:Can't guarantee that. Most of what Iam saying is based on news reports that I read. For example, the following TOI report says that there's about 30K acre govt. land in the area (Amaravati + adjoining areas) and the private land there is about Rs. 10 lakh/acre which is still better than no govt free land + Rs. 10-15 crores/acre in VJA-Guntur corridor.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Andhra-Pradesh-capital-in-Amaravati/articleshow/37602031.cms

Indo gAru,

The per acre prices in the Mangalagiri region were also in the 10-25lacs/acre just few months ago. Only after the bifurcation and the news leaks that it could be a capital region the prices towered to 10+crore/acre. This will be the same story whichever area of Andhra or even Seema we take. Once there is any indication of chances to be a capital region, prices in that area will shoot up to that range. So the only choice, if Govt doesn't want to exercise some special executive/legal options, is to select an area that has about 25-50K+ acres of Govt land and this makes only Donekonda region qualify for the same.

Agree that speculation drives prices up. But if you have a core 30K acre free govt land, it wouldn't cost the govt. anything to start their effort building the capital as opposed to some other areas where you have to start from buying the very first acre. Once yo decide on the capital, and the govt starts building offices on the free land, the land values in the periphery may skyrocket. So be it; that's market forces. Even the govt can participate in the market and sell some of the free land to investors at high prices and spend it for infrastructure development, instead of giving it away free to political cronies.

by indophile Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:21 am

Looks like Donakonda is the best bet.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/andhra-pradesh/new-ap-capital-donakonda-best-bet-says-concerned-citizens-forum/article6261149.ece

by indophile Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:26 am

Whatever place they pick, I think the AP elected politicians should all start conducting their business from SA instead of Hyderabad. That's the only way for them to understand the aam admies' dainandina saadhaka-baadhakaalu. Didn't Naidu garu say that he would rather rule from under a tree in SA than from Hyderabad.

by smArtha Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:31 am

indophile wrote:Whatever place they pick, I think the AP elected politicians should all start conducting their business from SA instead of Hyderabad. That's the only way for them to understand the aam admies' dainandina saadhaka-baadhakaalu. Didn't Naidu garu say that he would rather rule from under a tree in SA than from Hyderabad.

All Andhra politicians - whichever party they are in - have interests/assets to protect in T-state. Which is why in TV debates and all everyone is very subdued and mild even when faced with aggressive stance from their T-state counterparts.

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Wed Jul 30, 2014 11:33 am

indophile wrote:Looks like Donakonda is the best bet.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/andhra-pradesh/new-ap-capital-donakonda-best-bet-says-concerned-citizens-forum/article6261149.ece

Most of the supporters of Donakonda in the article are from Ongole area. So, they are taking care of their local interests (like what others are doing for Vij/Gun, Vizag, Kurnool, etc.).

The main problem with Ongole area is water scarcity.

But, having large tracks of govt. land is a big +.

Apparently, Achampeta and Vinukonda areas also have large govt. areas and they are not water starved (also, not exclusively Kamma dominated). So, they can build the capital on govt. land and still call it Amaravati (pretty close to the existing town).

(Here are some names of villages in the area: Dhulipalla, Malladi, Abburu, Muppaalla, Balijepalli, Lakkaraju, Pamidipadu [ancestral village of Carvaka?], Chaganti, Valluru, Bellamkonda, Jonnalagadda, Tadepalli, Godavarru [agraharam of Jandhyala families], etc.)

by indophile Wed Jul 30, 2014 11:54 am

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:
indophile wrote:Looks like Donakonda is the best bet.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/andhra-pradesh/new-ap-capital-donakonda-best-bet-says-concerned-citizens-forum/article6261149.ece
Apparently, Achampeta and Vinukonda areas also have large govt. areas and they are not water starved (also, not exclusively Kamma dominated). So, they can build the capital on govt. land and still call it Amaravati (pretty close to the existing town).

(Here are some names of villages in the area: Dhulipalla, Malladi, Abburu, Muppaalla, Balijepalli, Lakkaraju, Pamidipadu [ancestral village of Carvaka?], Chaganti, Valluru, Bellamkonda, Jonnalagadda, Tadepalli, Godavarru [agraharam of Jandhyala families], etc.)

They can also rename Donakonda as "PushkariNee Giri." In Telugu "dona: is a pool on a hill or mountain top, and konda is a hill. After all, V.V. Giri's ancestors sanskritized their surname from "pandi-konda" to "varahagiri." Why not Donakonda to PushkariNee-Giri? Smile

It will it respectability and may be some swami may capitalize on the new name bestowing it with some religious significance.

About the villages names in the area. I have many relatives with those village names as last names (intiperu). My own surname is a village name in the heart of Telangana Medak Dt. Smile

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Wed Jul 30, 2014 12:16 pm

indophile wrote:

About the villages names in the area. I have many relatives with those village names as last names (intiperu). My own surname is a village name in the heart of Telangana Medak Dt.

Wait...you are not a REAL Andhran ? You are a fakie?

So you have been messing with the minds of Andhrans all this time.

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Wed Jul 30, 2014 12:29 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
indophile wrote:

About the villages names in the area. I have many relatives with those village names as last names (intiperu). My own surname is a village name in the heart of Telangana Medak Dt.

Wait...you are not a REAL Andhran ? You are a fakie?

So you have been messing with the minds of Andhrans all this time.

He is an ex-Telanganite with a head on his shoulders. On the other hand, Carvaka is an ex-Andhra-ite ............... LOL.

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Wed Jul 30, 2014 12:31 pm

indophile wrote:
Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:
indophile wrote:Looks like Donakonda is the best bet.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/andhra-pradesh/new-ap-capital-donakonda-best-bet-says-concerned-citizens-forum/article6261149.ece
Apparently, Achampeta and Vinukonda areas also have large govt. areas and they are not water starved (also, not exclusively Kamma dominated). So, they can build the capital on govt. land and still call it Amaravati (pretty close to the existing town).

(Here are some names of villages in the area: Dhulipalla, Malladi, Abburu, Muppaalla, Balijepalli, Lakkaraju, Pamidipadu [ancestral village of Carvaka?], Chaganti, Valluru, Bellamkonda, Jonnalagadda, Tadepalli, Godavarru [agraharam of Jandhyala families], etc.)
They can also rename Donakonda as "PushkariNee Giri." In Telugu "dona: is a pool on a hill or mountain top, and konda is a hill. After all, V.V. Giri's ancestors sanskritized their surname from "pandi-konda" to "varahagiri." Why not Donakonda to PushkariNee-Giri? It will it respectability and may be some swami may capitalize on the new name bestowing it with some religious significance.

About the villages names in the area. I have many relatives with those village names as last names (intiperu). My own surname is a village name in the heart of Telangana Medak Dt.

VVG looks like a VarahaGiri :-)

by indophile Wed Jul 30, 2014 12:35 pm

Hey, I never claimed to be an Andhraite. I am from Orissa, actually from the tri-state area (Orissa/Andhra?Chattisgarh). My ancestors on my father's side were sent by the Golconda king to the general area of my hometown to settle some disputes among a few local chiefs. Ancestors on mothers side are from Warangal (also in Telangana). But if I go to Telangana now I will be called a non-local. Even in Andhra I am considered a non-local for college seats etc.

by smArtha Wed Jul 30, 2014 1:37 pm

indophile wrote:Hey, I never claimed to be an Andhraite. I am from Orissa, actually from the tri-state area (Orissa/Andhra?Chattisgarh). My ancestors on my father's side were sent by the Golconda king to the general area of my hometown to settle some disputes among a few local chiefs. Ancestors on mothers side are from Warangal (also in Telangana). But if I go to Telangana now I will be called a non-local. Even in Andhra I am considered a non-local for college seats etc.

Similar story with our family. Our shAkha says we originally belonged to the Telangana region. Also the village with our last name is in Telangana. Both these facts indicate that our ancestors had migrated out of the current Telangana region sometime during the last millennium. However, our recent ancestors are from Andhra region. I'm not sure if we T-qualify or not based on KCR's "should be from T area before 1956" criteria.

by indophile Wed Jul 30, 2014 3:22 pm

Why an 8-lane highway between the future Andhra state capital and Hyderabad? why waste Rs. 20,000 crores on that? Why not spend that money on roads and bridges in SA? When Andhra shifted its capital from Madras to Kurnool, nothing of the sort was built. When Chattisgarh broke off from Madhya Pradesh, they did not a built any road like that between Raipur and Bhopal.
http://www.deccanchronicle.com/140730/nation-current-affairs/article/no-raj-bhavan-andhra-pradesh-capital

by smArtha Wed Jul 30, 2014 3:30 pm

indophile wrote:Why an 8-lane highway between the future Andhra state capital and Hyderabad? why waste Rs. 20,000 crores on that? Why not spend that money on roads and bridges in SA? When Andhra shifted its capital from Madras to Kurnool, nothing of the sort was built. When Chattisgarh broke off from Madhya Pradesh, they did not a built any road like that between Raipur and Bhopal.
http://www.deccanchronicle.com/140730/nation-current-affairs/article/no-raj-bhavan-andhra-pradesh-capital

Even if they are building one such, why should it be from the AP state capital budget. Such a project should come from both state budgets and central assistance.

by truthbetold Wed Jul 30, 2014 3:39 pm

Indo
your arguments on hyd road are right on the money. build roads in sa to create necessary economic growth.

similarly what is the hurry to build everything in one go. build assembly secretariat police hq . get govt to capital. then take time to build the city.

focus should be on bringing revenue generating activities.

city is important. it takes 20 years. poor facilities are a remainder of the work that needs to be done.

by indophile Wed Jul 30, 2014 4:01 pm

There should be no free land to anybody around the capital unless it's a reputable educational institution (not the fly by night outfits) or a hospital, or a facility for cultural activities (like a Ravindra Bharati). No free land for temples, mosques, and churches should be allowed, and no proliferation of them either. Nothing like an ISKON temple in Bangalore should be allowed. Security of facilities and people should be a design consideration in building the capital.

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Wed Jul 30, 2014 4:17 pm

indophile wrote:Why an 8-lane highway between the future Andhra state capital and Hyderabad? why waste Rs. 20,000 crores on that? Why not spend that money on roads and bridges in SA? When Andhra shifted its capital from Madras to Kurnool, nothing of the sort was built. When Chattisgarh broke off from Madhya Pradesh, they did not a built any road like that between Raipur and Bhopal.
http://www.deccanchronicle.com/140730/nation-current-affairs/article/no-raj-bhavan-andhra-pradesh-capital

I agree. All those politicians have homes in Hyderabad.

Instead, they should build a proper road from Kurnool, Kadapa & Anantapur to the coastal area.

Closing the road to Hyderabad will facilitate the development of the new capital and diminish the use of Hyderabadi in Guntur & Vizag.

by b_A Wed Jul 30, 2014 4:48 pm

indophile wrote:Why an 8-lane highway between the future Andhra state capital and Hyderabad? why waste Rs. 20,000 crores on that? Why not spend that money on roads and bridges in SA? When Andhra shifted its capital from Madras to Kurnool, nothing of the sort was built. When Chattisgarh broke off from Madhya Pradesh, they did not a built any road like that between Raipur and Bhopal.
http://www.deccanchronicle.com/140730/nation-current-affairs/article/no-raj-bhavan-andhra-pradesh-capital

I think it was in the bifurcation bill and it is the Central Govt's responsibilty to build it.

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Wed Jul 30, 2014 5:18 pm

indophile wrote:Hey, I never claimed to be an Andhraite. I am from Orissa, actually from the tri-state area (Orissa/Andhra?Chattisgarh). My ancestors on my father's side were sent by the Golconda king to the general area of my hometown to settle some disputes among a few local chiefs. Ancestors on mothers side are from Warangal (also in Telangana). But if I go to Telangana now I will be called a non-local. Even in Andhra I am considered a non-local for college seats etc.

Mulakanadu (mostly Medak area - was the mother word for Mulki rules? - LOL), Telagaanya, Kaasalanadu, Velanadu, Nandavaarika, Paakalanadu, etc., are usually followers of Krishna YajurvEda and Aapatamba sootra (and Baudhaayana). These saakha names usually refer to the regions. Traditions among them are mostly the same and they all probably date back to the Satavahana period (Satavahanas fostered Vedic scholarship, performed Rajasooya and Aswamedha, etc.). Their region names got entrenched because of the control under different small kingdoms.

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Wed Jul 30, 2014 5:30 pm

Aapastamba

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