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Post by Hellsangel Fri Dec 12, 2014 11:21 am

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-12-10/with-2-gas-the-toyota-prius-is-for-drivers-who-stink-at-math
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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Fri Dec 12, 2014 12:35 pm

the flawed assumption here is that people are buying a Prius for economic reasons. clearly they aren't. not without a carbon tax.
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Post by Hellsangel Fri Dec 12, 2014 7:30 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:the flawed assumption here is that people are buying a Prius for economic reasons. clearly they aren't. not without a carbon tax.
Like Al Gore doesn't jet around in a private jet for economic reasons. Oh wait....
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Post by truthbetold Fri Dec 12, 2014 8:07 pm

Hellsangel wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:the flawed assumption here is that people are buying a Prius for economic reasons. clearly they aren't. not without a carbon tax.
Like Al Gore doesn't jet around in a private jet for economic reasons. Oh wait....
What's wrong with Al gore jetting around in a jet?

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Post by Hellsangel Fri Dec 12, 2014 8:10 pm

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2006-08-09-gore-green_x.htm
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Post by truthbetold Fri Dec 12, 2014 8:50 pm

HA

I have said this before. Attacking the messenger to cover up the policy differences is a poor tactic outside of politics. 

MLK slept around while he was leading the civil rights movement.  While right wing propagated about it, people did not care about it.  America saw a great change due to his efforts. 

Gandhi was accused of experiments with his granddaughters.  1.25 billion Indians are enjoying independence today.

Focus on the core issue. 

Emissions from coal fired electrical plants,  transportation pollution, methane gas from animals,  and Industrial pollution are the major causes of current and future environmental problems across globe. AL gore's jets are inconsequential blips in the greater scheme of things but Al gore's environmental message is a powerful one. 

Fight with his primary idea of pollution and its causes and its impact.  No problem.  But trying to make al gore the problem is a dishonest method of argument.

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Post by Merlot Daruwala Sat Dec 13, 2014 5:51 am

truthbetold wrote:HA

I have said this before. Attacking the messenger to cover up the policy differences is a poor tactic outside of politics. 

MLK slept around while he was leading the civil rights movement.  While right wing propagated about it, people did not care about it.  America saw a great change due to his efforts. 

Gandhi was accused of experiments with his granddaughters.  1.25 billion Indians are enjoying independence today.

Focus on the core issue. 

Emissions from coal fired electrical plants,  transportation pollution, methane gas from animals,  and Industrial pollution are the major causes of current and future environmental problems across globe. AL gore's jets are inconsequential blips in the greater scheme of things but Al gore's environmental message is a powerful one. 

Fight with his primary idea of pollution and its causes and its impact.  No problem.  But trying to make al gore the problem is a dishonest method of argument.

MLK's and MKG's transgressions were not related to their mission. Al Gore wants us to reduce our carbon footprint. Unless he walks the talk and reins in his own consumptive lifestyle, it smacks of hypocrisy. Just like those climate-talkers at Lima.
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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Sat Dec 13, 2014 8:12 am

methane leaks from the leaky crumbling american natural gas pipeline system contributes more than animals.
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Post by truthbetold Sat Dec 13, 2014 10:06 am

Merlot Daruwala wrote:
truthbetold wrote:HA

I have said this before. Attacking the messenger to cover up the policy differences is a poor tactic outside of politics. 

MLK slept around while he was leading the civil rights movement.  While right wing propagated about it, people did not care about it.  America saw a great change due to his efforts. 

Gandhi was accused of experiments with his granddaughters.  1.25 billion Indians are enjoying independence today.

Focus on the core issue. 

Emissions from coal fired electrical plants,  transportation pollution, methane gas from animals,  and Industrial pollution are the major causes of current and future environmental problems across globe. AL gore's jets are inconsequential blips in the greater scheme of things but Al gore's environmental message is a powerful one. 

Fight with his primary idea of pollution and its causes and its impact.  No problem.  But trying to make al gore the problem is a dishonest method of argument.

MLK's and MKG's transgressions were not related to their mission. Al Gore wants us to reduce our carbon footprint. Unless he walks the talk and reins in his own consumptive lifestyle, it smacks of hypocrisy. Just like those climate-talkers at Lima.
In politics a person's morality matters because lack of morality causes loss of support. But in hard scientific facts do not change based on gore's consumption or behavior. So as I said before transgressions are irrelevant to scientific facts.  The coal fired plant protectors fund news items to spread this kind of irrelevant canards.  

Those who are interested in winning arguments by any means instead of making honest policy arguments may find these news tidbits helpful.

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