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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Mon Oct 12, 2015 6:55 pm

i've posted this little essay before, but in the context of a relentless tendency both on this board and elsewhere to view indian muslims as a homogenous urdufied population, and the recent restlessness of the agenda-driven synthesist, it's worth posting again.

http://www.indowindow.com/akhbar/article.php?article=132&category=4&issue=19

Long before a powerful sultanate came to be set up in Delhi and its environs, trading groups from West Asia brought Islam to western and southern India through maritime commerce, and it was an extension of the same process that eventually brought that religion to what is today the most populous Muslim country in the world, namely Indonesia. But this Islam, which is linked intimately to the Indian Ocean and its trade, seems to have a difficult time penetrating the consciousness even of exhibition-makers, museum-keepers and self-styled Islamologists.

A great example of this is the so-called Sirapuranam, a brilliant life in poetry of the Prophet Mohammed written by a major poet of the time, Umaru Pulavar. Umaru was instructed by a certain Shaikh Sadaqatullah, a Sufi master of the Qadiri order who lived at Kayalpatnam. But since poets need not just masters but patrons, the work, as well as several others, was patronised by a great merchant of Kilakkarai called Sidakkadi. This Sidakkadi, a Maraikkayar magnate of the late 17th and early 18th centuries, epitomises even today what a great patron should be for many in Tamil Nadu, where he is virtually a household name. His name was originally Shaikh Abdul Qadir, but it was shortened in his own lifetime. Much has been written about him by literary scholars and historians.

Historians have shown his close association with the Setupati Rajas of Ramnad, whose ventures he partly financed. But what is worth noting is that neither he nor Umaru Pulavar saw themselves as being forced to choose between an Arab-Islamic culture and a Tamil one. A poet of his time could thus write that he was: Lord Sidakkadi, King of Kayal/ who protects eloquent Tamil poets/ even as he protects the wide earth/ and the whole community of believers/ with his arms stout as mountains.
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Post by Guest Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:31 pm

Max gives the example of the Sirapuranam, a work composed by Umaru Pulavar. Max's source informs us that this Umaru had a patron called Sidakkadi and that Sidakkadi was living in the late 17th or early 18th century. So it is reasonable to assume that Umaru also lived in the late 17th or early 18th century.

I would like to inform Max that the Uttar Pradeshi Qadir Wali was living in the 16th century. After traveling to various places, Qadir went to Nagore, Tamil Nadu, where he lived for 28 years and gained great fame. More about Qadir here:

https://such.forumotion.com/t33699-uttar-pradesh-s-gift-to-tamil-nadu-the-remarkable-qadir-wali-ni-si-synthesis-and-also-h-m-synthesis

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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:48 pm

cheraman juma masjid (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheraman_Juma_Masjid) -- the sixth oldest mosque in the world built long before (629 AD) the marauders came to northindia brandishing swords and raping penises.


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Post by Guest Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:54 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:cheraman juma masjid (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheraman_Juma_Masjid) -- the sixth oldest mosque in the world built long before the marauders came to northindia brandishing swords and raping penises.

The 16th century Uttar Pradeshi Qadir Wali was not a marauder brandishing swords or a rapist. He was a sufi saint and is accepted as such by the people of Tamil Nadu to this day as the facts given in this thread show: https://such.forumotion.com/t33699-uttar-pradesh-s-gift-to-tamil-nadu-the-remarkable-qadir-wali-ni-si-synthesis-and-also-h-m-synthesis#206413

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Post by Guest Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:00 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:cheraman juma masjid (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheraman_Juma_Masjid) -- the sixth oldest mosque in the world built long before the marauders came to northindia brandishing swords and raping penises.

the wikipedia article given by Max is making fantastic claims which seem grounded on mythology and fiction rather than on facts. For example:

Cheraman Perumal, the Chera king, went to Arabia where he met the Prophet and embraced Islam and changed his name to Tajuddin.[12] From there he had sent letters with Malik Ibn Dinar to his relatives in Kerala, asking them to be courteous to the latter.[3] According to Burnell he was a contemporary of Islamic Prophet Muhammad.[13]

This calls into question the entire, apparently concocted, history of this so called 'ancient mosque'.


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