Subsidised JNU students are parasites, but IIT ones are idols

Indian taxpayers seem to be a self-righteous lot. Beneficiaries of subsidies, according to them, must display adequate gratitude and the right colour of patriotism. Else, they go for the jugular.

These days, a vocal section of them wants India to stop funding Jawaharlal Nehru University (JNU), one of South Asia’s top-ranked institutions of higher learning. The reason for their outrage is an alleged anti-India protest that took place on the campus in Delhi on Tuesday (Feb. 09).

Such resentment, though, is not new. It surfaces every time students of liberal universities such as JNU or the Film & Television Institute of India (FTII) go against what is perceived as mainstream opinion.

Yet, most Indians have no problems with the government funding the Indian Institutes of Technology (IITs) or the Indian Institutes of Management (IIMs), even though many of their graduates end up on greener foreign shores. These IIT-NRIs are often put on a pedestal and worshipped as real Indian role models.

While this duality may fall in the realm of the age-old science vs humanities debate, what the angry taxpayers seem to have missed is their own duplicity.

In 2013, these “anti-national” JNU students spearheaded an agitation over the gangrape of a woman in Delhi—better known as the “Nirbhaya case”. Besides, decisively turning public opinion against the local Congress party government, they ensured that gender violence became a talking point across the country. This ultimately led to amendments in the rape law.

But somehow, Indian students demanding equal rights for women and minorities are perceived to be less nationalistic than Green Card-seeking NRIs.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Indian taxpayers seem to be a self-righteous lot. Beneficiaries of subsidies, according to them, must display adequate gratitude and the right colour of patriotism. Else, they go for the jugular.

These days, a vocal section of them wants India to stop funding Jawaharlal Nehru University (JNU), one of South Asia’s top-ranked institutions of higher learning. The reason for their outrage is an alleged anti-India protest that took place on the campus in Delhi on Tuesday (Feb. 09).

Such resentment, though, is not new. It surfaces every time students of liberal universities such as JNU or the Film & Television Institute of India (FTII) go against what is perceived as mainstream opinion.

Yet, most Indians have no problems with the government funding the Indian Institutes of Technology (IITs) or the Indian Institutes of Management (IIMs), even though many of their graduates end up on greener foreign shores. These IIT-NRIs are often put on a pedestal and worshipped as real Indian role models.

While this duality may fall in the realm of the age-old science vs humanities debate, what the angry taxpayers seem to have missed is their own duplicity.

In 2013, these “anti-national” JNU students spearheaded an agitation over the gangrape of a woman in Delhi—better known as the “Nirbhaya case”. Besides, decisively turning public opinion against the local Congress party government, they ensured that gender violence became a talking point across the country. This ultimately led to amendments in the rape law.

But somehow, Indian students demanding equal rights for women and minorities are perceived to be less nationalistic than Green Card-seeking NRIs.

http://qz.com/616684/for-stingy-indian-taxpayers-subsidised-jnu-students-are-parasites-but-iit-ones-are-idols/

truthbetold wrote:Jnu has been left leaning for decades. Demand to cut of funds was as old as the institution itself.

Has any jnu graduate made any significant contribution to Indian social or economic development?

brie wrote:

truthbetold wrote:Jnu has been left leaning for decades. Demand to cut of funds was as old as the institution itself.

Has any jnu graduate made any significant contribution to Indian social or economic development?

plenty.. prakash karat, sitaram yechury and digvijay singh to name a few.

Two universities now at the centre of a raging debate over nationalism and free speech are India’s best, a first-ever government-backed survey has found, using parameters ranging from research facilities to employability of their graduates.

More than 3,500 higher educational institutions were considered in the survey. The other categories of institutes that have been ranked include engineering, management and pharmacy. No ranking was considered for colleges since the response was poor.

Among the universities, the Delhi University figures among the top 10 but behind JNU and Hyderabad university. The Jamia Millia Islamia university ranks further down the order.

The criteria used to rank the institutions included teaching/learning resources, research, graduation outcomes (employability), outreach/ social and gender inclusivity and perception.

An independent agency, the National Bureau of Accreditation, validated the data submitted by the institutes, government sources said.

The data for the first four parameters, which account for 90% of the weightage, was submitted by the institutions and verified by National Institutional Ranking Framework (NIRF), a body constituted by the HRD ministry last year to conduct annual quality surveys.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Two universities now at the centre of a raging debate over nationalism and free speech are India’s best, a first-ever government-backed survey has found, using parameters ranging from research facilities to employability of their graduates.

More than 3,500 higher educational institutions were considered in the survey. The other categories of institutes that have been ranked include engineering, management and pharmacy. No ranking was considered for colleges since the response was poor.

Among the universities, the Delhi University figures among the top 10 but behind JNU and Hyderabad university. The Jamia Millia Islamia university ranks further down the order.

The criteria used to rank the institutions included teaching/learning resources, research, graduation outcomes (employability), outreach/ social and gender inclusivity and perception.

An independent agency, the National Bureau of Accreditation, validated the data submitted by the institutes, government sources said.

The data for the first four parameters, which account for 90% of the weightage, was submitted by the institutions and verified by National Institutional Ranking Framework (NIRF), a body constituted by the HRD ministry last year to conduct annual quality surveys.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india/govt-survey-finds-hyderabad-varsity-jnu-best-in-india/story-ZTgD6rrLyOrQuoBhwmIVoJ.html

Hmmm.. Wonder what's BJP's strategy behind this.

Kris wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Two universities now at the centre of a raging debate over nationalism and free speech are India’s best, a first-ever government-backed survey has found, using parameters ranging from research facilities to employability of their graduates.

More than 3,500 higher educational institutions were considered in the survey. The other categories of institutes that have been ranked include engineering, management and pharmacy. No ranking was considered for colleges since the response was poor.

Among the universities, the Delhi University figures among the top 10 but behind JNU and Hyderabad university. The Jamia Millia Islamia university ranks further down the order.

The criteria used to rank the institutions included teaching/learning resources, research, graduation outcomes (employability), outreach/ social and gender inclusivity and perception.

An independent agency, the National Bureau of Accreditation, validated the data submitted by the institutes, government sources said.

The data for the first four parameters, which account for 90% of the weightage, was submitted by the institutions and verified by National Institutional Ranking Framework (NIRF), a body constituted by the HRD ministry last year to conduct annual quality surveys.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india/govt-survey-finds-hyderabad-varsity-jnu-best-in-india/story-ZTgD6rrLyOrQuoBhwmIVoJ.html

Hmmm.. Wonder what's BJP's strategy behind this.

>>>Since the issue here is government subsidization, shouldn't one of the criteria, a heavily-weighted one at that, be the graduates' contribution to the economy? The IITs may not fare high on this directly, due to the exodus out of India, but at least these guys bring home the bacon in the long run in terms of generating foreign investment.

truthbetold wrote:Jnu has been left leaning for decades. Demand to cut of funds was as old as the institution itself.

Has any jnu graduate made any significant contribution to Indian social or economic development?

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kris wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Two universities now at the centre of a raging debate over nationalism and free speech are India’s best, a first-ever government-backed survey has found, using parameters ranging from research facilities to employability of their graduates.

More than 3,500 higher educational institutions were considered in the survey. The other categories of institutes that have been ranked include engineering, management and pharmacy. No ranking was considered for colleges since the response was poor.

Among the universities, the Delhi University figures among the top 10 but behind JNU and Hyderabad university. The Jamia Millia Islamia university ranks further down the order.

The criteria used to rank the institutions included teaching/learning resources, research, graduation outcomes (employability), outreach/ social and gender inclusivity and perception.

An independent agency, the National Bureau of Accreditation, validated the data submitted by the institutes, government sources said.

The data for the first four parameters, which account for 90% of the weightage, was submitted by the institutions and verified by National Institutional Ranking Framework (NIRF), a body constituted by the HRD ministry last year to conduct annual quality surveys.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india/govt-survey-finds-hyderabad-varsity-jnu-best-in-india/story-ZTgD6rrLyOrQuoBhwmIVoJ.html

Hmmm.. Wonder what's BJP's strategy behind this.

>>>Since the issue here is government subsidization, shouldn't one of the criteria, a heavily-weighted one at that, be the graduates' contribution to the economy? The IITs may not fare high on this directly, due to the exodus out of India, but at least these guys bring home the bacon in the long run in terms of generating foreign investment.

If that is the barometer, Indian coolies in the gulf are bringing a lot more back than those elite IIT grads, so, what's the point of investing in those institutes?

Kris wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kris wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Two universities now at the centre of a raging debate over nationalism and free speech are India’s best, a first-ever government-backed survey has found, using parameters ranging from research facilities to employability of their graduates.

More than 3,500 higher educational institutions were considered in the survey. The other categories of institutes that have been ranked include engineering, management and pharmacy. No ranking was considered for colleges since the response was poor.

Among the universities, the Delhi University figures among the top 10 but behind JNU and Hyderabad university. The Jamia Millia Islamia university ranks further down the order.

The criteria used to rank the institutions included teaching/learning resources, research, graduation outcomes (employability), outreach/ social and gender inclusivity and perception.

An independent agency, the National Bureau of Accreditation, validated the data submitted by the institutes, government sources said.

The data for the first four parameters, which account for 90% of the weightage, was submitted by the institutions and verified by National Institutional Ranking Framework (NIRF), a body constituted by the HRD ministry last year to conduct annual quality surveys.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india/govt-survey-finds-hyderabad-varsity-jnu-best-in-india/story-ZTgD6rrLyOrQuoBhwmIVoJ.html

Hmmm.. Wonder what's BJP's strategy behind this.

>>>Since the issue here is government subsidization, shouldn't one of the criteria, a heavily-weighted one at that, be the graduates' contribution to the economy? The IITs may not fare high on this directly, due to the exodus out of India, but at least these guys bring home the bacon in the long run in terms of generating foreign investment.

If that is the barometer, Indian coolies in the gulf are bringing a lot more back than those elite IIT grads, so, what's the point of investing in those institutes?

>> If there were an institute of coolies that India is subsidizing, that would be a valid ROI comparison point, unless you are arguing that ROI should not be a criterion at all.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kris wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kris wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india/govt-survey-finds-hyderabad-varsity-jnu-best-in-india/story-ZTgD6rrLyOrQuoBhwmIVoJ.html

Hmmm.. Wonder what's BJP's strategy behind this.

>>>Since the issue here is government subsidization, shouldn't one of the criteria, a heavily-weighted one at that, be the graduates' contribution to the economy? The IITs may not fare high on this directly, due to the exodus out of India, but at least these guys bring home the bacon in the long run in terms of generating foreign investment.

If that is the barometer, Indian coolies in the gulf are bringing a lot more back than those elite IIT grads, so, what's the point of investing in those institutes?

>> If there were an institute of coolies that India is subsidizing, that would be a valid ROI comparison point, unless you are arguing that ROI should not be a criterion at all.

How is that a criterion, to begin with? Majority of these guys, after getting free education, have left India for greener pastures, how is that contributing to India?