[maxentropyman] resolve this inconsistency

Propagandhi711 wrote:one possible solution could be that tamilians are lions at home and pussy cats abroad

Propagandhi711 wrote:one possible solution could be that tamilians are lions at home and pussy cats abroad

Propagandhi711 wrote:one possible solution could be that tamilians are lions at home and pussy cats abroad

brie wrote:

Propagandhi711 wrote:one possible solution could be that tamilians are lions at home and pussy cats abroad

you, sir, underestimate the power of the tamilian man. the tamilian invented idli, dosai, urlai roast, ghatam, mridangam, taj mahal and the great wall of china!

Propagandhi711 wrote:

brie wrote:

Propagandhi711 wrote:one possible solution could be that tamilians are lions at home and pussy cats abroad

you, sir, underestimate the power of the tamilian man. the tamilian invented idli, dosai, urlai roast, ghatam, mridangam, taj mahal and the great wall of china!

what or who is urlai roast, pics would help

brie wrote:
what tamilians speak - monolingual, spiki only tamizh

Meghna Mathur wrote:

Propagandhi711 wrote:

brie wrote:

Propagandhi711 wrote:one possible solution could be that tamilians are lions at home and pussy cats abroad

you, sir, underestimate the power of the tamilian man. the tamilian invented idli, dosai, urlai roast, ghatam, mridangam, taj mahal and the great wall of china!

what or who is urlai roast, pics would help

roasted potatoes in tamil... looks good. i love chettinadU

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=urlai+roast

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

brie wrote:
what tamilians speak - monolingual, spiki only tamizh

most tamilians who need to learn hindi, because they live in hindi speaking regions of india, do speak fluent hindi. they did so voluntarily without any government fiat. tamilians were some of the first indians who become voluntary migrants. many members of my extended family who have lived in india outside of TN are fluent in the languages of the regions they live in, including hindi. by contrast, hindians who live in TN and work in central govt research and educational institutions can't speak an iota of tamil.

i suspect the phenomenon of singapore tamilians being fluent in mandarin is no different. in other words, the inconsistency is something manufactured and existing in your mind only.

Hellsangel wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

brie wrote:
what tamilians speak - monolingual, spiki only tamizh

most tamilians who need to learn hindi, because they live in hindi speaking regions of india, do speak fluent hindi. they did so voluntarily without any government fiat. tamilians were some of the first indians who become voluntary migrants. many members of my extended family who have lived in india outside of TN are fluent in the languages of the regions they live in, including hindi. by contrast, hindians who live in TN and work in central govt research and educational institutions can't speak an iota of tamil.

i suspect the phenomenon of singapore tamilians being fluent in mandarin is no different. in other words, the inconsistency is something manufactured and existing in your mind only.

How many ethnic Malays and Chinese in Singapore learn Tamil?

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Hellsangel wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

brie wrote:
what tamilians speak - monolingual, spiki only tamizh

most tamilians who need to learn hindi, because they live in hindi speaking regions of india, do speak fluent hindi. they did so voluntarily without any government fiat. tamilians were some of the first indians who become voluntary migrants. many members of my extended family who have lived in india outside of TN are fluent in the languages of the regions they live in, including hindi. by contrast, hindians who live in TN and work in central govt research and educational institutions can't speak an iota of tamil.

i suspect the phenomenon of singapore tamilians being fluent in mandarin is no different. in other words, the inconsistency is something manufactured and existing in your mind only.

How many ethnic Malays and Chinese in Singapore learn Tamil?

i don't know, but from an economic standpoint, learning mandarin is highly beneficial these days wherever you are. i'd learn mandarin if i had the bandwidth.

http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/~haroldfs/540/handouts/sparadox/sparadox.html wrote:

Educational Policy in Singapore

In Singapore, the situation is more complex, with Tamil (and Malay and Mandarin Chinese) offered throughout pre-University education, but in the case of Tamil, at increasingly hyperpuristic levels. The system is referred to as a bilingual one, but in actuality it is an English-medium school system with large amounts of `mother tongue' instruction in the elementary grades. At higher levels, the amount of Tamil diminishes, and it is also decreasingly `practical' i.e. hyperpuristic to an extent not even found in Tamilnadu. The result is an increased alienation from Tamil, since the hyperpuristic version they are presented with is given no support in any other domain of Singapore life, with the exception of Tamil news broadcasts on SBC television. In other programming, and in radio, more colloquial versions of the language hold sway. Jeganathan puts it this way:

Tamil is taught as a second language for the Tamil pupils. Most of these pupils speak English with their friends and even at home with their English-educated parents. Only where there are grandparents who are not English educated might these pupils speak Tamil. ...
The Tamil language taught in schools, therefore, appears to be more for evaluation purposes ... ... This has therefore led to a concern for accuracy work ... [i.e.] accurate use of the language in the classroom [rather] than ... outside the classroom. (Jeganathan 1993:80-81).

Since Tamil has no economic value in consumer-oriented Singapore, it is seen by most Tamils as having no value at all, and many, after passing their Cambridge A-level exams (necessary for entry into higher education) never use it ever again.The question many Tamils ask themselves is, tami cooru poodumaa? `Will Tamil put rice (on the table)?'

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:that's short sighted, but understandable from the viewpoint of young people. the reasons for studying tamil in my mind are the same as the reasons for studying latin, greek, or sanskrit.

Hellsangel wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:that's short sighted, but understandable from the viewpoint of young people. the reasons for studying tamil in my mind are the same as the reasons for studying latin, greek, or sanskrit.

All dead languages.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Hellsangel wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:that's short sighted, but understandable from the viewpoint of young people. the reasons for studying tamil in my mind are the same as the reasons for studying latin, greek, or sanskrit.

All dead languages.

latin lives on in many european languages, in medicine and science, sanskrit lives on in all indian languages, and greek to my knowledge is not dead.

Propagandhi711 wrote:

brie wrote:

Propagandhi711 wrote:one possible solution could be that tamilians are lions at home and pussy cats abroad

you, sir, underestimate the power of the tamilian man. the tamilian invented idli, dosai, urlai roast, ghatam, mridangam, taj mahal and the great wall of china!

what or who is urlai roast, pics would help

Kinnera wrote:There was once a post by Kayal where she/he was gloating about a sign board at a rest room in Eiffel tower, where 'toilet room' was written in tamil, along with some other languages. She/he was feeling that by writing 'toilet' in Tamil, the French have recognised Tamil as the 'international language', 'classical language', etc. Lol! The fact of the matter is, the European countries have given asylum to a number of sri lankan tamil refugees in the 80s and 90s....possibly until Prabhakaran died. The sign board must've been written for the benefit of those monolingual tamils.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

Kinnera wrote:There was once a post by Kayal where she/he was gloating about a sign board at a rest room in Eiffel tower, where 'toilet room' was written in tamil, along with some other languages. She/he was feeling that by writing 'toilet' in Tamil, the French have recognised Tamil as the 'international language', 'classical language', etc. Lol! The fact of the matter is, the European countries have given asylum to a number of sri lankan tamil refugees in the 80s and 90s....possibly until Prabhakaran died. The sign board must've been written for the benefit of those monolingual tamils.

I am sure there must have been a sign in Hindi as well "Hither ek Toilet hai"

Perhaps, the French are afraid that the Indians might pee or poop anywhere at will.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

Kinnera wrote:There was once a post by Kayal where she/he was gloating about a sign board at a rest room in Eiffel tower, where 'toilet room' was written in tamil, along with some other languages. She/he was feeling that by writing 'toilet' in Tamil, the French have recognised Tamil as the 'international language', 'classical language', etc. Lol! The fact of the matter is, the European countries have given asylum to a number of sri lankan tamil refugees in the 80s and 90s....possibly until Prabhakaran died. The sign board must've been written for the benefit of those monolingual tamils.

I am sure there must have been a sign in Hindi as well "Hither ek Toilet hai"

Perhaps, the French are afraid that the Indians might pee or poop anywhere at will.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Hellsangel wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:that's short sighted, but understandable from the viewpoint of young people. the reasons for studying tamil in my mind are the same as the reasons for studying latin, greek, or sanskrit.

All dead languages.

latin lives on in many european languages, in medicine and science, sanskrit lives on in all indian languages, and greek to my knowledge is not dead.

Seva Lamberdar wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Hellsangel wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:that's short sighted, but understandable from the viewpoint of young people. the reasons for studying tamil in my mind are the same as the reasons for studying latin, greek, or sanskrit.

All dead languages.

latin lives on in many european languages, in medicine and science, sanskrit lives on in all indian languages, and greek to my knowledge is not dead.

What about the words in Latin and Greek which seem to have roots in Sanskrit?

Propagandhi711 wrote:

Seva Lamberdar wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Hellsangel wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:that's short sighted, but understandable from the viewpoint of young people. the reasons for studying tamil in my mind are the same as the reasons for studying latin, greek, or sanskrit.

All dead languages.

latin lives on in many european languages, in medicine and science, sanskrit lives on in all indian languages, and greek to my knowledge is not dead.

What about the words in Latin and Greek which seem to have roots in Sanskrit?

do you have any blog articles you can post on AIT, AAIT, AIIT or AITT or TITTY?

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:that's short sighted, but understandable from the viewpoint of young people. the reasons for studying tamil in my mind are the same as the reasons for studying latin, greek, or sanskrit.

Hellsangel wrote:Question for Il Professore. Is the Tamil version of the new Jungle Book playing anywhere in MA or any other place in North America?

Seva Lamberdar wrote:

Propagandhi711 wrote:

Seva Lamberdar wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Hellsangel wrote:
All dead languages.

latin lives on in many european languages, in medicine and science, sanskrit lives on in all indian languages, and greek to my knowledge is not dead.

What about the words in Latin and Greek which seem to have roots in Sanskrit?

do you have any blog articles you can post on AIT, AAIT, AIIT or AITT or TITTY?

Try looking for the possible root of your favorite English word "f&%k" in a good Sanskrit dictionary.

Propagandhi711 wrote:

Seva Lamberdar wrote:

Propagandhi711 wrote:

Seva Lamberdar wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

latin lives on in many european languages, in medicine and science, sanskrit lives on in all indian languages, and greek to my knowledge is not dead.

What about the words in Latin and Greek which seem to have roots in Sanskrit?

do you have any blog articles you can post on AIT, AAIT, AIIT or AITT or TITTY?

Try looking for the possible root of your favorite English word "f&%k" in a good Sanskrit dictionary.

can you recommend a good sanskrit dictionary? or post a blog link to one?

brie wrote:singapore:

most popular languages: mandarin and english
is tamil official language? - yes
what tamilians speak - bilingual and trilingual -- all languages

india:

most popular languages: hindi and english
is tamil official language? - yes
what tamilians speak - monolingual, spiki only tamizh

swapna wrote:

brie wrote:singapore:

most popular languages: mandarin and english
is tamil official language? - yes
what tamilians speak - bilingual and trilingual -- all languages

india:

most popular languages: hindi and english
is tamil official language? - yes
what tamilians speak - monolingual, spiki only tamizh

tamilians speak whichever language they want to speak. does that trouble you? if it does, lower yourself, arse first, v..e..r..y slowly onto a sharp object, while saying "ayyo, mummmy-jee." by doing so, not only will you cure your trouble with tamil, but you will instantly become bilingual.

btw, no one speaks monolingual; there is no such language.

brie wrote:

swapna wrote:

brie wrote:singapore:

most popular languages: mandarin and english
is tamil official language? - yes
what tamilians speak - bilingual and trilingual -- all languages

india:

most popular languages: hindi and english
is tamil official language? - yes
what tamilians speak - monolingual, spiki only tamizh

tamilians speak whichever language they want to speak. does that trouble you? if it does, lower yourself, arse first, v..e..r..y slowly onto a sharp object, while saying "ayyo, mummmy-jee." by doing so, not only will you cure your trouble with tamil, but you will instantly become bilingual.

btw, no one speaks monolingual; there is no such language.

swapna,

you are not doing potty here. 

swapna wrote:

Propagandhi711 wrote:

Seva Lamberdar wrote:

Propagandhi711 wrote:

Seva Lamberdar wrote:
What about the words in Latin and Greek which seem to have roots in Sanskrit?

do you have any blog articles you can post on AIT, AAIT, AIIT or AITT or TITTY?

Try looking for the possible root of your favorite English word "f&%k" in a good Sanskrit dictionary.

can you recommend a good sanskrit dictionary? or post a blog link to one?

what would be the point? you're not literate in ANY indian language including telugu, are you? you only know miss uma's english from that "english-medium" school, and a smattering of bad hindi, ja?

Hellsangel wrote:Question for Il Professore. Is the Tamil version of the new Jungle Book playing anywhere in MA or any other place in North America?

swapna wrote:

brie wrote:singapore:

most popular languages: mandarin and english
is tamil official language? - yes
what tamilians speak - bilingual and trilingual -- all languages

india:

most popular languages: hindi and english
is tamil official language? - yes
what tamilians speak - monolingual, spiki only tamizh

tamilians speak whichever language they want to speak. does that trouble you? if it does, lower yourself, arse first, v..e..r..y slowly onto a sharp object, while saying "ayyo, mummmy-jee." by doing so, not only will you cure your trouble with tamil, but you will instantly become bilingual.

btw, no one speaks monolingual; there is no such language.

brie wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:that's short sighted, but understandable from the viewpoint of young people. the reasons for studying tamil in my mind are the same as the reasons for studying latin, greek, or sanskrit.

oh really?

then you should pepper your posts with text in tamil to appear learned!  your friendly compatriot (who will share his eggs and tea with you if you ask politely) tried it but was greeted by jeers. obviously, 'cos he chose an inferior classical language -- LATIN! he does not think tamil holds a candle to latin in this respect (he disagrees with you, BOO!).... but he is a bit of a weirdo and a wannabe brown-sahib. why don't you lead the way by example?

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Hellsangel wrote:Question for Il Professore. Is the Tamil version of the new Jungle Book playing anywhere in MA or any other place in North America?

no idea. no interest in disney, let alone trying to find a tamil version of a movie made by disney.