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Lockheed Martin promises to move it's entire production line of F16 fighterjets to India if India places firm orders of F 16s
by ashdoc Thu Aug 04, 2016 3:06 pm
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Lockheed-Martin-If-IAF-selects-F-16-well-make-it-in-India-for-India-and-the-world/articleshow/53547235.cms
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Re: Lockheed Martin promises to move it's entire production line of F16 fighterjets to India if India places firm orders of F 16s
by ashdoc Thu Aug 04, 2016 3:07 pm
the indian government seems to be more inclined to place orders of f 16s inspite of pakistan already having them and therefore knowing ways of countering them besides having vastly more experience of using f 16s .
i prefer the f 18 , but the indian goverment seems to tilt towards the f 16 !!
i prefer the f 18 , but the indian goverment seems to tilt towards the f 16 !!
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Re: Lockheed Martin promises to move it's entire production line of F16 fighterjets to India if India places firm orders of F 16s
by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Thu Aug 04, 2016 3:24 pm
ashdoc wrote:the indian government seems to be more inclined to place orders of f 16s inspite of pakistan already having them and therefore knowing ways of countering them besides having vastly more experience of using f 16s .
i prefer the f 18 , but the indian goverment seems to tilt towards the f 16 !!
Aren't the Swedish offering the same with their JAS-39 ? Which is far superior to and one of the latest? Besides, Americans will expect the Indians to toe the US line all the time with the ever present threat of suspending any and all military deals. For ex. if India hesitates to support in US in Soucth China Sea in a serious confrontation, there goes the F-16 production (they will withhold the nut and screw for the Radar screen mount).
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Re: Lockheed Martin promises to move it's entire production line of F16 fighterjets to India if India places firm orders of F 16s
by ashdoc Thu Aug 04, 2016 9:18 pm
jas 39 has an american engine anyway . rafale ( we are buying only 36 ) and eurofighter are too costly .
we are buying a lot of american hardware for our military anyway . c 17 globemaster jets and c 130 hercules planes to fly our troops to china border . apache helicopters for destroying tanks of the enemy ---armed with hellfire missiles . poseidon maritime patrol aircraft with harpoon missiles for destroying enemy warships and subs .
we are buying a lot of american hardware for our military anyway . c 17 globemaster jets and c 130 hercules planes to fly our troops to china border . apache helicopters for destroying tanks of the enemy ---armed with hellfire missiles . poseidon maritime patrol aircraft with harpoon missiles for destroying enemy warships and subs .
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Re: Lockheed Martin promises to move it's entire production line of F16 fighterjets to India if India places firm orders of F 16s
by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Thu Aug 04, 2016 10:33 pm
.ashdoc wrote:jas 39 has an american engine anyway . rafale ( we are buying only 36 ) and eurofighter are too costly .
we are buying a lot of american hardware for our military anyway . c 17 globemaster jets and c 130 hercules planes to fly our troops to china border . apache helicopters for destroying tanks of the enemy ---armed with hellfire missiles . poseidon maritime patrol aircraft with harpoon missiles for destroying enemy warships and subs .
Buying outright is not that bad..as they will only withhold spare parts during crisis. Hopefully Indians are good enough to copy. But production line is different.
Aero engine will always be a problem as most are made P & W, GE, Rolls. Worse is electronics, which in JAS39 is non-American (if I am right).
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Re: Lockheed Martin promises to move it's entire production line of F16 fighterjets to India if India places firm orders of F 16s
by ashdoc Sat Aug 06, 2016 8:12 am
actually there are solid reasons for selecting the f 18 over the f 16 .
for one thing pakistan does not have the aircraft and has not studied the f 18 the way it has studied the f 16 . it has surely devised ways and means of countering the f 16 having used it for decades .
the f 18 is a twin engined aircraft and even when one engine is shot it still can fly back home on the power of the other engine . f 16 is only one engined and if the engine is shot it is a goner .
the f 16 does not have a naval version and cannot fly from an aircraft carrier . on the other hand , the f 18 can be used for the navy on it's newly being built aircraft carriers as it has a naval version .
however , i have found out that the indian government feels that the f 18 has run out of export potential , and even if the f 18 production line is set up in india then the fighterjet will have no takers outside india and therefore no orders other than those ordered by india .
on the other hand , the f 16 has real export potential left and other than the orders india itself places india can export the f 16 to other countries who will still be ready to buy it . hence the government prefers the f 16 .
https://thaimilitaryandasianregion.wordpress.com/2015/11/25/f-16-ef-block-60-desert-falcon/
above link gives the review of the capabilities of the f 16 block 60---on which the version of the f 16 given to india will be based . it will be called the f 16 block 70 . it will further improve on the capabilities of the f 16 .
the two main advances over the other versions of f 16 will be---
the block 60 / 70 carries the conformal fuel tanks---that is , in addition to the fuel in the plane itself there will be fuel tanks attached to the part where the wing joins the body of the plane on the upper side . this will increase the range ( combat radius ) of the jet to no less than 1650 km . this is more than the sukhoi whose combat radius is 1500 km . the conformal fuel tanks cause drag while flying , which reduces the manueverability . but if conformal fuel tanks are not carried tanks will have to be carried below wings anyway , and they also cause drag .
on the other hand the conformal tanks free space for more weapons to be carried below wings . to carry this extra load of weapons the engine is more powerful , and to power this powerful engine which consumes more fuel the conformal fuel tanks are most useful . the conformal tanks can also be removed and fitted again as deemed fit .
the other advance is the electronic beam steering technology of the radar . so the beam of the radar move electronically and the radar does not have to move mechanically to scan a certain part of the sky or surface . this 'agile' beam is not easily detectable and the radar waves will not be easily detectable by enemy radar warning receivers . also both ground and air targets can be attacked simultaneously by the aircraft using the new radar .
but the f 16 is not as nimble as the rafale or sukhoi or eurofighter , and china's sukhois have the advantage over it in close combat . on long distance combat sukhoi and f 16 block 70 are equals and the f 16 block 70 has the advantage in surface strike . the sukhoi is more survivable as it has two engines and can still fly if one engine is shot down . the f 16 has only one engine and if it is shot it is a goner .
---ashdoc
for one thing pakistan does not have the aircraft and has not studied the f 18 the way it has studied the f 16 . it has surely devised ways and means of countering the f 16 having used it for decades .
the f 18 is a twin engined aircraft and even when one engine is shot it still can fly back home on the power of the other engine . f 16 is only one engined and if the engine is shot it is a goner .
the f 16 does not have a naval version and cannot fly from an aircraft carrier . on the other hand , the f 18 can be used for the navy on it's newly being built aircraft carriers as it has a naval version .
however , i have found out that the indian government feels that the f 18 has run out of export potential , and even if the f 18 production line is set up in india then the fighterjet will have no takers outside india and therefore no orders other than those ordered by india .
on the other hand , the f 16 has real export potential left and other than the orders india itself places india can export the f 16 to other countries who will still be ready to buy it . hence the government prefers the f 16 .
https://thaimilitaryandasianregion.wordpress.com/2015/11/25/f-16-ef-block-60-desert-falcon/
above link gives the review of the capabilities of the f 16 block 60---on which the version of the f 16 given to india will be based . it will be called the f 16 block 70 . it will further improve on the capabilities of the f 16 .
the two main advances over the other versions of f 16 will be---
the block 60 / 70 carries the conformal fuel tanks---that is , in addition to the fuel in the plane itself there will be fuel tanks attached to the part where the wing joins the body of the plane on the upper side . this will increase the range ( combat radius ) of the jet to no less than 1650 km . this is more than the sukhoi whose combat radius is 1500 km . the conformal fuel tanks cause drag while flying , which reduces the manueverability . but if conformal fuel tanks are not carried tanks will have to be carried below wings anyway , and they also cause drag .
on the other hand the conformal tanks free space for more weapons to be carried below wings . to carry this extra load of weapons the engine is more powerful , and to power this powerful engine which consumes more fuel the conformal fuel tanks are most useful . the conformal tanks can also be removed and fitted again as deemed fit .
the other advance is the electronic beam steering technology of the radar . so the beam of the radar move electronically and the radar does not have to move mechanically to scan a certain part of the sky or surface . this 'agile' beam is not easily detectable and the radar waves will not be easily detectable by enemy radar warning receivers . also both ground and air targets can be attacked simultaneously by the aircraft using the new radar .
but the f 16 is not as nimble as the rafale or sukhoi or eurofighter , and china's sukhois have the advantage over it in close combat . on long distance combat sukhoi and f 16 block 70 are equals and the f 16 block 70 has the advantage in surface strike . the sukhoi is more survivable as it has two engines and can still fly if one engine is shot down . the f 16 has only one engine and if it is shot it is a goner .
---ashdoc
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