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Post by Propagandhi711 Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:05 pm

very very interesting article from the fed reserve of SF -

"Goods and services from China accounted for only 2.7% of U.S. personal consumption expenditures in 2010, of which less than half reflected the actual costs of Chinese imports. The rest went to U.S. businesses and workers transporting, selling, and marketing goods carrying the "Made in China" label. Although the fraction is higher when the imported content of goods made in the United States is considered, Chinese imports still make up only a small share of total U.S. consumer spending. This suggests that Chinese inflation will have little direct effect on U.S. consumer prices."


http://www.frbsf.org/publications/economics/letter/2011/el2011-25.html

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Post by charvaka Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:11 pm

Propagandhi711 wrote:very very interesting article from the fed reserve of SF -

"Goods and services from China accounted for only 2.7% of U.S. personal consumption expenditures in 2010, of which less than half reflected the actual costs of Chinese imports. The rest went to U.S. businesses and workers transporting, selling, and marketing goods carrying the "Made in China" label. Although the fraction is higher when the imported content of goods made in the United States is considered, Chinese imports still make up only a small share of total U.S. consumer spending. This suggests that Chinese inflation will have little direct effect on U.S. consumer prices."


http://www.frbsf.org/publications/economics/letter/2011/el2011-25.html
This doesn't smell right. Perhaps they only considered direct purchases by consumers. A lot of the trade is in goods that US companies buy from Chinese contract manufacturers and then sell to their consumers. I wonder if that counted as consumer spending in this study. (If it didn't that would understate the top-line number they cited.) Will read the article in detail later.
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Post by Kris Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:12 pm

>>I haven't read the article, but won't there be a domino effect with the U.S. businesses passing on their higher costs to the consumers?

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Post by charvaka Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:59 pm

I read the original article, and it sounds like they have accounted for intermediate products. So surprising as it sounds, the findings seem to be correct.

These two figures tell the story in more detail. As is clear from the table, the bulk of consumer expenditure is on services that are produced domestically for the most part. It is only in the clothing/shoes category that the bulk of products are imported, and China dominates that category, but the category itself is just 3.4% of total consumer expenditure.

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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:12 pm

haven't read the story yet, but i suspect there is a lot of american fluff -- marketing and rent to name two categories added to chinese made shoes and indian made shirts.
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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:15 pm

Smells like a hindian-type scandal and propaganda.

clothing/shoes (only) 35% from China?

Household equipment (only0 20% from China?

This past christmas, my hobby during shopping was to check labels of anything. Extremely hard to find anything that was made in US - not just the clothing.

DUT is a Looter Stooge and am not surprised at his unwavering support for the Looters.

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Post by Propagandhi711 Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:16 pm

it was surprising to me as well. it's a case of perception being very different from reality.

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Post by Propagandhi711 Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:17 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:Smells like a hindian-type scandal and propaganda.

clothing/shoes (only) 35% from China?

Household equipment (only0 20% from China?

This past christmas, my hobby during shopping was to check labels of anything. Extremely hard to find anything that was made in US - not just the clothing.

DUT is a Looter Stooge and am not surprised at his unwavering support for the Looters.

dont ever let facts get in the way of your overall narrative. par for course.

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Post by Propagandhi711 Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:27 pm

I guess the key is that we spend far more on other stuff than we realize: housing, food, energy, services such as health care, education, haircuts...it's just that a trip to wallmart affects our already heightened perception biases raised to fever pitch by political shills on TV and radio.

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Post by Hellsangel Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:28 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:haven't read the story yet, but i suspect there is a lot of american fluff -- marketing and rent to name two categories added to chinese made shoes and indian made shirts.

Ha ha ha @ your signature. He is really an e-tranny.
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Post by artood2 Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:34 pm

Propagandhi711 wrote:very very interesting article from the fed reserve of SF -

"Goods and services from China accounted for only 2.7% of U.S. personal consumption expenditures in 2010, of which less than half reflected the actual costs of Chinese imports. The rest went to U.S. businesses and workers transporting, selling, and marketing goods carrying the "Made in China" label. Although the fraction is higher when the imported content of goods made in the United States is considered, Chinese imports still make up only a small share of total U.S. consumer spending. This suggests that Chinese inflation will have little direct effect on U.S. consumer prices."


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The customers see is the end price and that includes the cost and the profit margin. Isn't that exactly the reason why manufacturing went offshore?
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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:43 pm

Propagandhi711 wrote:I guess the key is that we spend far more on other stuff than we realize: housing, food, energy, services such as health care, education, haircuts...it's just that a trip to wallmart affects our already heightened perception biases raised to fever pitch by political shills on TV and radio.

In that table, transportation, medical care, household operations(?) are overwhelmigly american....

REALLY?

breakdown these expenses and how much of that is amerikan and Phoren.

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Post by Kris Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:35 am

Propagandhi711 wrote:it was surprising to me as well. it's a case of perception being very different from reality.

>>> I just saw the charts. From an overall expenditure standpoint on *all* the items (goods and services), the china imports will not add to inflation. The dent is very small.

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Post by charvaka Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:06 am

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:In that table, transportation, medical care, household operations(?) are overwhelmigly american....

REALLY?
What else would you think those services are?

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:breakdown these expenses and how much of that is amerikan and Phoren.
They did break those expenses down.
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Post by Propagandhi711 Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:34 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Propagandhi711 wrote:I guess the key is that we spend far more on other stuff than we realize: housing, food, energy, services such as health care, education, haircuts...it's just that a trip to wallmart affects our already heightened perception biases raised to fever pitch by political shills on TV and radio.

In that table, transportation, medical care, household operations(?) are overwhelmigly american....

REALLY?

breakdown these expenses and how much of that is amerikan and Phoren.

think you need more sleep.

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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:25 pm

charvaka wrote:I read the original article, and it sounds like they have accounted for intermediate products. So surprising as it sounds, the findings seem to be correct.

These two figures tell the story in more detail. As is clear from the table, the bulk of consumer expenditure is on services that are produced domestically for the most part. It is only in the clothing/shoes category that the bulk of products are imported, and China dominates that category, but the category itself is just 3.4% of total consumer expenditure.

how much america spends on goods from china? El2011-25-2

how much america spends on goods from china? El2011-25-3

Most developed countries will have a similar figure bcz health care services, school services, transportation services, educational services - which involve a significant % in high labor costs -are all inherently internal and cannot be imported. What is truly left is tradeable/movable items, and that decides a country's trade deficits. By that count, the us is losing big time against china (currently running at $280 Bill/year).

This is one of those "accounting gimmicks" the YEM BEE AAs" are trained in.

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Post by Maria S Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:36 pm

It's hard to believe any stats, when it comes to China..and what they put out in general..wasn't there an article not too long ago- that they were even placing fake labels like "Made in India" on some of their products!

And all the economists in the US this morning- are so excited their GDP is lower now..(again..not sure how much one can rely on Chinese data).

http://news.yahoo.com/china-says-growth-slows-8-9-q4-2011-025855064.html

I think it's like getting excited over the premature demise of dear Fidel for the past 50 years! This is China's decade, and they will be quiet-keep their voices low, manipulate whatever it takes to make it their decade.
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Post by Propagandhi711 Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:49 pm

Kris wrote:
Propagandhi711 wrote:it was surprising to me as well. it's a case of perception being very different from reality.

>>> I just saw the charts. From an overall expenditure standpoint on *all* the items (goods and services), the china imports will not add to inflation. The dent is very small.

exactly. but that doesnt fit the narrative of labor unions and other assorted protectionist forces that like the easy demonization of an external entity that'll become a nice little sound bite.

ppl dont want to hear that it's the quickening of productivity that rapidly eats up prospects for the marginally skilled and not outsourcing of manufacturing. the marginally skilled are easily employable in housing industry which is why greenspan whipped up housing mania. that's also why the employment numbers wont improve until housing gets back to "normal".

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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:10 pm

Propagandhi711 wrote:
Kris wrote:
Propagandhi711 wrote:it was surprising to me as well. it's a case of perception being very different from reality.

>>> I just saw the charts. From an overall expenditure standpoint on *all* the items (goods and services), the china imports will not add to inflation. The dent is very small.

exactly. but that doesnt fit the narrative of labor unions and other assorted protectionist forces that like the easy demonization of an external entity that'll become a nice little sound bite.

ppl dont want to hear that it's the quickening of productivity that rapidly eats up prospects for the marginally skilled and not outsourcing of manufacturing. the marginally skilled are easily employable in housing industry which is why greenspan whipped up housing mania. that's also why the employment numbers wont improve until housing gets back to "normal".

In the US, labor costs upto 70%. Hence, construction and other "Services" are wher the growth can occur as they involve mostly labor charges. UnfortunaTELY, the Amerikans are obsolete with technology and lazy/too proud to work in menial jobs. So even this sector needs to depend on Phoreners - including messicans. Agriculture, construction, and housing all employ muchos messicans.

In short, the housing can KICK START the economy....and the economy can KICK START the housing.

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