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MaxEntropy_Man wrote:sevaji welcome. after i saw your name here, my curiosity got the better of me and i had to go over and peek at sulekha rivr and see what you have been up to. i saw your post about the uttharakAndA (UK) in valmiki ramyaNAm. i did not read your post in detail, but your central point seems to be that the UK was not part of the original text and was added on by other authors. i want you to know that i am sympathetic to that viewpoint. what lends credence to your theory is that there is no UK at all in the kambarAmAyaNam which is a retelling in tamil verse of valmiki's original. so the folks who appended the UK to valmiki's original must have come not just well after valmiki's passing, but also after kamban.

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:sevaji welcome. after i saw your name here, my curiosity got the better of me and i had to go over and peek at sulekha rivr and see what you have been up to. i saw your post about the uttharakAndA (UK) in valmiki ramyaNAm. i did not read your post in detail, but your central point seems to be that the UK was not part of the original text and was added on by other authors. i want you to know that i am sympathetic to that viewpoint. what lends credence to your theory is that there is no UK at all in the kambarAmAyaNam which is a retelling in tamil verse of valmiki's original. so the folks who appended the UK to valmiki's original must have come not just well after valmiki's passing, but also after kamban.

If we pay attention to Valmiki Ramayan (and not the medieval Ramacharita manas), we see Ramayan without the contamination from local customs and attitudes of the authors of different Ramayans. In the original Ramayan, Seetha was a much stronger and independent minded woman. Ramacharita manas, which UP bhiyyas are fond of, vividly describes the cow belt culture!

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:sevaji welcome. after i saw your name here, my curiosity got the better of me and i had to go over and peek at sulekha rivr and see what you have been up to. i saw your post about the uttharakAndA (UK) in valmiki ramyaNAm. i did not read your post in detail, but your central point seems to be that the UK was not part of the original text and was added on by other authors. i want you to know that i am sympathetic to that viewpoint. what lends credence to your theory is that there is no UK at all in the kambarAmAyaNam which is a retelling in tamil verse of valmiki's original. so the folks who appended the UK to valmiki's original must have come not just well after valmiki's passing, but also after kamban.

If we pay attention to Valmiki Ramayan (and not the medieval Ramacharita manas), we see Ramayan without the contamination from local customs and attitudes of the authors of different Ramayans. In the original Ramayan, Seetha was a much stronger and independent minded woman. Ramacharita manas, which UP bhiyyas are fond of, vividly describes the cow belt culture!

kamban too has a strong sIthai. kamban was quite faithful to valmiki while injecting significant poetic beauty, but he made little subtle tweaks to the story here and there to make it conform to the prevailing mores of tamil society. and a.k.ramanujan has shown that the thai ramakien is really based on kamban's work and not directly on valmiki. i find that fascinating.

Impedimenta wrote:hello there!

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:sevaji welcome. I saw your post about the uttharakAndA (UK) in valmiki ramyaNAm. i did not read your post in detail, but your central point seems to be that the UK was not part of the original text and was added on by other authors. i want you to know that i am sympathetic to that viewpoint. what lends credence to your theory is that there is no UK at all in the kambarAmAyaNam which is a retelling in tamil verse of valmiki's original. so the folks who appended the UK to valmiki's original must have come not just well after valmiki's passing, but also after kamban.

Seva Lamberdar wrote:Kinnera, thanks for the welcome.

Seva

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:And Carvakism is getting diluted by a Panini Press method. Rashmun is eagerly awaiting to discuss important issues re. Tamil and Telangana with you.

Kayalvizhi wrote:Max,

Have you read Pulavar Kuzhanthai's Ravana Kaaviyam?

Whether you like the story line or not, great but simple poetry.

Whenever I heard the death of Tamil commanders Deepa, Vidhisha, Sornam, Anthony, Bhanu one by one in 2009, Ravana Kaaviyam lines of a mother lamenting at the death of a young commander come my mind. Mesmerizing lines.