Tamils vs Tamils (Removal of Hindi signboards in Madurai)

by Guest Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:36 pm

Following public outcry on the Facebook account of Madurai District Administration over installing street signs in Hindi in the temple town, Collector Anshul Mishra has asked the city Corporation to remove them.

“Respecting the sentiments of our Tamil brothers and sisters, I am ready to take back my words regarding issue of tri-lingual boards and use of Hindi in these boards ... I am here to serve people of Tamil Nadu and not promote my mother tongue ...,” Mishra posted in the Facebook account of Collector Madurai.

Recently, the Madurai Corporation had made an announcement to install tri-language (Tamil, Hindi and English) signboards across the city to facilitate tourists visiting Madurai from various parts of the country. Immediately, activists of Tamil Desa Pothu Udamai Katchi staged a protest on January 25 demanding the removal of the signages.

However, as Corporation was slow to react to their pleas, the People’s Campaign for Tamil Cause took the cyber route for redressal. Several people, espousing the Tamil cause, sought the Collector’s intervention to remove the signages.

The movement argued that no other state in the country had put up signboards in Tamil to facilitate tourists from this state.

”In a day, hundreds of pilgrims from TN visit Kasi, Mumbai, Delhi and various places of pilgrimage in North India. The local bodies of those cities never displayed Tamil boards there ... Even in international terminals,we can seen single-language boards in the native language”

Some of the posts also emphasised Madurai’s legendary connection with Tamil Sangam. There were others who said that they were not against Hindi language but insisted on Tamil signboards only in Tamil Nadu.

However, the debate did not stop there. Immediately after the Collector’s post, scores of Facebook users asked him not to remove the Hindi signboards. A few posted comments saying, ”While we are proud of being Tamil, we should respect and encourage learning other languages, especially Hindi. We Tamils will be respected only if we are able to take together other language-speaking people and languages.” Some emphasised that Madurai was a popular tourist centre that attracted people from north India. Signboards in Hindi would help such tourists.

When Express contacted Collector Anshul Mishra, he said, ”As the District Magistrate, I need to maintain peace and tranquility in the district. And also, respecting Tamil sentiments, I have asked the Corporation officials to remove the signboards in Hindi.”

http://newindianexpress.com/states/tamil_nadu/article1451522.ece

by Guest Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:38 pm

Having trilingual signboards is a great idea. Why not have it? And if tamils want tamil signboards in north india, why not have tamil signboards for them?

by Guest Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:40 pm

tninety 15 hours ago
They come to Bengaluru and put boards in tamil. And advise, kannadigas should show love for all languages!

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/310280/move-have-hindi-signboards-madurai.html

by Kayalvizhi Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:43 pm

How many people who cannot read English street names come alone to Tamil from Hindi states?

by Guest Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:49 pm

Kayalvizhi wrote:How many people who cannot read English street names come alone to Tamil from Hindi states?

Many people. The reason is that one of the four major pilgrim centers in Hinduism is in TN and while in TN many prefer to visit the Meenakshi temple in Madurai which is perhaps the greatest temple (architecturally) for the Mother Goddess in India.

by Kayalvizhi Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:12 am

i understand that english is taught in all schools in hindia. so they must know to read

by Guest Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:13 am

Kayalvizhi wrote:i understand that english is taught in all schools in hindia. so they must know to read

you are mistaken.

by Kayalvizhi Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:14 am

Then they should. So 3 languages for Tamils even to live in Tamilnadu. But 1 language for Hindians and thdey should be able do whatever they want everywhere in "India" with 1 language. Is that it?

by MaxEntropy_Man Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:18 am

Kayalvizhi wrote:Then they should. So 3 languages for Tamils even to live in Tamilnadu. But 1 language for Hindians and thdey should be able do whatever they want everywhere in "India" with 1 language. Is that it?

the sad thing is that for many hindians street name boards in hindi is also of no use.

by Guest Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:18 am

Kayalvizhi wrote:Then they should. So 3 languages for Tamils even to live in Tamilnadu. But 1 language for Hindians and thdey should be able do whatever they want everywhere in "India" with 1 language. Is that it?

wrong again.

by Kayalvizhi Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:21 am

I know there are millions of Hindians who cannot read Hindi or English. My question is how many of them come ALONE 1000 miles south to Madurai?

by Guest Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:22 am

Kayalvizhi wrote:I know there are millions of Hindians who cannot read Hindi or English. My question is how many of them come ALONE 1000 miles south to Madurai?

many because one of the four sacred hindu pilgrim sites is in TN and many want to visit Madurai to offer prayers at the Meenakshi temple.

by Idéfix Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:29 am

Kayalvizhi wrote:I know there are millions of Hindians who cannot read Hindi or English. My question is how many of them come ALONE 1000 miles south to Madurai?

If an illiterate Hindian goes to Madurai, he can't read the sign even if it is written in all the languages of the world. That problem can't be solved by the people of Madurai.

by MaxEntropy_Man Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:29 am

from the comments section of the deccanherald article:

Raghavendra 16 hours ago
Good show by Tamils, it is time to stop Hindi imperialism in the name of India. Mother tongue and English are enough rest should be interest based. It is time that Karnataka removes compulsory Hindi from 5th std

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:42 am

Rashmun: give up on Hindi prachaar in SI. Hindi might have had a chance in the 50's. Now, the youth in SI are all busy studying in English, working and making a lot of money. If you talk about Hindi to them, it looks like an unnecessary imposition. It would be better if Akhilesh started to speak in English and made English compulsory in UP schools.

Also, all this propaganda on dance, scriptures, music, etc., being NI and that everything SI is derived from NI is passe. No one in SI will buy that stuff. Ram is NI and Ravan is SI is another garbage. People in SI are a lot smarter than the Nis give credit.

by Guest Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:46 am

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:Rashmun: give up on Hindi prachaar in SI. Hindi might have had a chance in the 50's. Now, the youth in SI are all busy studying in English, working and making a lot of money. If you talk about Hindi to them, it looks like an unnecessary imposition. It would be better if Akhilesh started to speak in English and made English compulsory in UP schools.

Also, all this propaganda on dance, scriptures, music, etc., being NI and that everything SI is derived from NI is passe. No one in SI will buy that stuff. Ram is NI and Ravan is SI is another garbage. People in SI are a lot smarter than the Nis give credit.

The Vedas and Upanisads were composed in NI. Do you agree?

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:56 am

Was SI inhabited those days as much as these days?

Must Punjabis (Sikhs in India and mians in PakiPunjab) and Rajastanis
claim credit for Indian culture just because they live in a particular
area?

How do we know that Rg Veda is actually composed in INDIA?

by Guest Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:57 am

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:Was SI inhabited those days as much as these days?

Must Punjabis (Sikhs in India and mians in PakiPunjab) and Rajastanis
claim credit for Indian culture just because they live in a particular
area?

How do we know that Rg Veda is actually composed in INDIA?

You are right about the Rig Veda but the Upanisads are definitely composed in NI, and that too not in Punjab but in the region in and around UP.

by Guest Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:58 am

if you believe in the Upanisads you should remember to adopt a friendly attitude towards people who come from the region where the Upanisads were composed.

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Thu Feb 07, 2013 1:08 am

Rashmun wrote:
Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:Was SI inhabited those days as much as these days?

Must Punjabis (Sikhs in India and mians in PakiPunjab) and Rajastanis
claim credit for Indian culture just because they live in a particular
area?

How do we know that Rg Veda is actually composed in INDIA?

You are right about the Rig Veda but the Upanisads are definitely composed in NI, and that too not in Punjab but in the region in and around UP.

I doubt very much that the Upanishads were composed by bhaiyyas. bom

by Guest Thu Feb 07, 2013 1:09 am

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:Was SI inhabited those days as much as these days?

Must Punjabis (Sikhs in India and mians in PakiPunjab) and Rajastanis
claim credit for Indian culture just because they live in a particular
area?

How do we know that Rg Veda is actually composed in INDIA?

You are right about the Rig Veda but the Upanisads are definitely composed in NI, and that too not in Punjab but in the region in and around UP.

I doubt very much that the Upanishads were composed by bhaiyyas.

you are right. they were composed by ancestors of the bhaiyyas.

by Guest Thu Feb 07, 2013 1:11 am

another point to consider is that most major hindu gods are north indians. Lord Shiva is based in Mount Kailasa in a region close to North India. Lord Krishna is based in Mathura/Vrindavan, and Lord Rama in Ayodhya.

So North India is important for both Shaivites and Vaisnavites.

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Thu Feb 07, 2013 1:20 am

So, Shivism is Tibetan.

Forget about Krishna and Rama (they didn't belong to the Vedic period).

Mitra and Varuna - are they really Indian?

Indra - is he Punjabi, Kashmiri, Paki, Ujbek, Pashtoon.....?

by Idéfix Thu Feb 07, 2013 1:22 am

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:So, Shivism is Tibetan.

Forget about Krishna and Rama (they didn't belong to the Vedic period).

Mitra and Varuna - are they really Indian?

Indra - is he Punjabi, Kashmiri, Paki, Ujbek, Pashtoon.....?

It is high time for a census of the 33 crore Hindu deities. We need to ascertain their home states, genders, languages, castes, subcastes, literacy statuses, and species affiliations.

by Guest Thu Feb 07, 2013 1:26 am

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:So, Shivism is Tibetan.

Forget about Krishna and Rama (they didn't belong to the Vedic period).

Mitra and Varuna - are they really Indian?

Indra - is he Punjabi, Kashmiri, Paki, Ujbek, Pashtoon.....?

Mitra, Varuna, and Indra are minor gods as of today. The major Gods in Hinduism as of today are Shiva, Rama, and Krishna.

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Thu Feb 07, 2013 1:30 am

panini press wrote:
Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:So, Shivism is Tibetan.

Forget about Krishna and Rama (they didn't belong to the Vedic period).

Mitra and Varuna - are they really Indian?

Indra - is he Punjabi, Kashmiri, Paki, Ujbek, Pashtoon.....?
It is high time for a census of the 33 crore Hindu deities. We need to ascertain their home states, genders, languages, castes, subcastes, literacy statuses, and species affiliations.

Reading Rashmun's arguments, I am actually learning why there is such opposition in TN for Hindi.

by Guest Thu Feb 07, 2013 1:33 am

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:
panini press wrote:
Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:So, Shivism is Tibetan.

Forget about Krishna and Rama (they didn't belong to the Vedic period).

Mitra and Varuna - are they really Indian?

Indra - is he Punjabi, Kashmiri, Paki, Ujbek, Pashtoon.....?
It is high time for a census of the 33 crore Hindu deities. We need to ascertain their home states, genders, languages, castes, subcastes, literacy statuses, and species affiliations.

Reading Rashmun's arguments, I am actually learning why there is such opposition in TN for Hindi.

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:
as the moon waxed and waned ten times, powerful vacuums were applied** in both directions. now the merger is complete! the two are now one. there is nothing but the One. all that is seen is The One; all that is unseen is also The One.

** not that there's anything wrong with that.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Thu Feb 07, 2013 1:41 am

panini press wrote:
Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:So, Shivism is Tibetan.

Forget about Krishna and Rama (they didn't belong to the Vedic period).

Mitra and Varuna - are they really Indian?

Indra - is he Punjabi, Kashmiri, Paki, Ujbek, Pashtoon.....?
It is high time for a census of the 33 crore Hindu deities. We need to ascertain their home states, genders, languages, castes, subcastes, literacy statuses, and species affiliations.

agree. the govt instead of wasting their money/effort on useless projects should do a census on the 33 crore deities. That will solve ALL the problems in the country immediately.

by Guest Thu Feb 07, 2013 1:44 am

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
panini press wrote:
Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:So, Shivism is Tibetan.

Forget about Krishna and Rama (they didn't belong to the Vedic period).

Mitra and Varuna - are they really Indian?

Indra - is he Punjabi, Kashmiri, Paki, Ujbek, Pashtoon.....?
It is high time for a census of the 33 crore Hindu deities. We need to ascertain their home states, genders, languages, castes, subcastes, literacy statuses, and species affiliations.

agree. the govt instead of wasting their money/effort on useless projects should do a census on the 33 crore deities. That will solve ALL the problems in the country immediately.

at the time the Vedas were composed the population of SI was minimal. So all of these deities, i think, are actually NI.

by bw Thu Feb 07, 2013 1:56 am

Rashmun wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
panini press wrote:
Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:So, Shivism is Tibetan.

Forget about Krishna and Rama (they didn't belong to the Vedic period).

Mitra and Varuna - are they really Indian?

Indra - is he Punjabi, Kashmiri, Paki, Ujbek, Pashtoon.....?
It is high time for a census of the 33 crore Hindu deities. We need to ascertain their home states, genders, languages, castes, subcastes, literacy statuses, and species affiliations.

agree. the govt instead of wasting their money/effort on useless projects should do a census on the 33 crore deities. That will solve ALL the problems in the country immediately.

at the time the Vedas were composed the population of SI was minimal. So all of these deities, i think, are actually NI.

deities are NI? don't they live up there in the heaven or something? is heaven also part of NI?

by Idéfix Thu Feb 07, 2013 1:59 am

bw wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
panini press wrote:
Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:So, Shivism is Tibetan.

Forget about Krishna and Rama (they didn't belong to the Vedic period).

Mitra and Varuna - are they really Indian?

Indra - is he Punjabi, Kashmiri, Paki, Ujbek, Pashtoon.....?
It is high time for a census of the 33 crore Hindu deities. We need to ascertain their home states, genders, languages, castes, subcastes, literacy statuses, and species affiliations.

agree. the govt instead of wasting their money/effort on useless projects should do a census on the 33 crore deities. That will solve ALL the problems in the country immediately.

at the time the Vedas were composed the population of SI was minimal. So all of these deities, i think, are actually NI.

deities are NI? don't they live up there in the heaven or something? is heaven also part of NI?

They should revise the acronym Bimaru to Bhimaru in honor of heaven.

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:00 am

bw: "deities are NI? don't they live up there in the heaven or something? is heaven also part of NI?"

Yeah, while Rashmin is at it he should also check in which part of UP Yama lives.

by Guest Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:03 am

bw wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
panini press wrote:
Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:So, Shivism is Tibetan.

Forget about Krishna and Rama (they didn't belong to the Vedic period).

Mitra and Varuna - are they really Indian?

Indra - is he Punjabi, Kashmiri, Paki, Ujbek, Pashtoon.....?
It is high time for a census of the 33 crore Hindu deities. We need to ascertain their home states, genders, languages, castes, subcastes, literacy statuses, and species affiliations.

agree. the govt instead of wasting their money/effort on useless projects should do a census on the 33 crore deities. That will solve ALL the problems in the country immediately.

at the time the Vedas were composed the population of SI was minimal. So all of these deities, i think, are actually NI.

deities are NI? don't they live up there in the heaven or something? is heaven also part of NI?

good point. the fact is that the Vedas were composed in NI. the gods were NI because the people who were imagining and conceptualizing these Gods were NI's. Major hindu gods like Shiva, Rama, and Krishna are placed in Lord Kailasa which is in Tibet but close to NI (for Shiva) ; Mathura/Vrindavan (for Krishna) ; and Ayodhya (For Rama).

by Guest Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:05 am

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:bw: "deities are NI? don't they live up there in the heaven or something? is heaven also part of NI?"

Yeah, while Rashmin is at it he should also check in which part of UP Yama lives.

Good joke! on a serious note, one other thing to note is that the sanskrit language originates in NI.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:12 am

Rashmun wrote:

at the time the Vedas were composed the population of SI was minimal. So all of these deities, i think, are actually NI.

You Naarthies do need that many deities to save you. Please take as many of them as possible. Or, did all these deities got fed up with the Naarthie studpidities and migrated to south?

Hope they are all anti-hindi by now.

by Guest Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:14 am

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:

at the time the Vedas were composed the population of SI was minimal. So all of these deities, i think, are actually NI.

You Naarthies do need that many deities to save you. Please take as many of them as possible. Or, did all these deities got fed up with the Naarthie studpidities and migrated to south?

Hope they are all anti-hindi by now.

Just so you know your ancestors were Naarthies as well. You are the descendant of immigrants from NI to TN.

by Guest Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:15 am

even sandilya has claimed on sulekha that SI was almost unpopulated at one time. i hope he still maintains this position.

by bw Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:16 am

Rashmun wrote:

good point. the fact is that the Vedas were composed in NI. the gods were NI because the people who were imagining and conceptualizing these Gods were NI's. Major hindu gods like Shiva, Rama, and Krishna are placed in Lord Kailasa which is in Tibet but close to NI (for Shiva) ; Mathura/Vrindavan (for Krishna) ; and Ayodhya (For Rama).

does this mean that historically, the north indians were more superstitious and succumbed more to hocus-pocus than the south indians?

by Guest Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:18 am

bw wrote:
Rashmun wrote:

good point. the fact is that the Vedas were composed in NI. the gods were NI because the people who were imagining and conceptualizing these Gods were NI's. Major hindu gods like Shiva, Rama, and Krishna are placed in Lord Kailasa which is in Tibet but close to NI (for Shiva) ; Mathura/Vrindavan (for Krishna) ; and Ayodhya (For Rama).

does this mean that historically, north indians were more superstitious and succumbed more to hocus-pocus than the south indians?

the only south indians at the time the rig veda was composed were a few tribals who specialized in climbing coconut trees.

by goodcitizn Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:24 am

panini press wrote:
Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:So, Shivism is Tibetan.

Forget about Krishna and Rama (they didn't belong to the Vedic period).

Mitra and Varuna - are they really Indian?

Indra - is he Punjabi, Kashmiri, Paki, Ujbek, Pashtoon.....?
It is high time for a census of the 33 crore Hindu deities. We need to ascertain their home states, genders, languages, castes, subcastes, literacy statuses, and species affiliations.

by Guest Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:27 am

goodcitizn wrote:
panini press wrote:
Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:So, Shivism is Tibetan.

Forget about Krishna and Rama (they didn't belong to the Vedic period).

Mitra and Varuna - are they really Indian?

Indra - is he Punjabi, Kashmiri, Paki, Ujbek, Pashtoon.....?
It is high time for a census of the 33 crore Hindu deities. We need to ascertain their home states, genders, languages, castes, subcastes, literacy statuses, and species affiliations.

GC, are you amused with the thought of what SI's were doing at the time NI's were composing the Vedas? I am, and so please allow me to lol!

by goodcitizn Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:35 am

Rashmun wrote:
goodcitizn wrote:
panini press wrote:
Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:So, Shivism is Tibetan.

Forget about Krishna and Rama (they didn't belong to the Vedic period).

Mitra and Varuna - are they really Indian?

Indra - is he Punjabi, Kashmiri, Paki, Ujbek, Pashtoon.....?
It is high time for a census of the 33 crore Hindu deities. We need to ascertain their home states, genders, languages, castes, subcastes, literacy statuses, and species affiliations.

GC, are you amused with the thought of what SI's were doing at the time NI's were composing the Vedas? I am, and so please allow me to

On the contrary, you bring a lot of amusement to the board. Without your posts this place would be too boring.

by Guest Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:37 am

in 2003 i made fun of a sulekha poster who claimed krishna was a NI. it is 2013 but i cannot make fun of rashmun because this time i am dealing with a scholar. woe is me!

by Guest Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:38 am

goodcitizn wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
goodcitizn wrote:
panini press wrote:
Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:So, Shivism is Tibetan.

Forget about Krishna and Rama (they didn't belong to the Vedic period).

Mitra and Varuna - are they really Indian?

Indra - is he Punjabi, Kashmiri, Paki, Ujbek, Pashtoon.....?
It is high time for a census of the 33 crore Hindu deities. We need to ascertain their home states, genders, languages, castes, subcastes, literacy statuses, and species affiliations.

GC, are you amused with the thought of what SI's were doing at the time NI's were composing the Vedas? I am, and so please allow me to

On the contrary, you bring a lot of amusement to the board. Without your posts this place would be too boring.

I like your way of handling the bitter truth. On another note I find your posts highly amusing myself.

by Guest Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:40 am

Huzefa Kapasi wrote:in 2003 i made fun of a sulekha poster who claimed krishna was a NI. it is 2013 but i cannot make fun of rashmun because this time i am dealing with a scholar. woe is me!

Even the renowned sulekha scholar sandilya had claimed that SI was for the most part uninhabited at the time the Vedas and Upanisads were composed. Let us not sacrifice Truth at the altar of political correctness.

by Guest Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:47 am

Rashmun wrote:
Huzefa Kapasi wrote:in 2003 i made fun of a sulekha poster who claimed krishna was a NI. it is 2013 but i cannot make fun of rashmun because this time i am dealing with a scholar. woe is me!

Even the renowned sulekha scholar sandilya had claimed that SI was for the most part uninhabited at the time the Vedas and Upanisads were composed. Let us not sacrifice Truth at the altar of political correctness.

i really do not know much about this subject but i do see that current findings suggest that the IVC or post IVC was a pan indian phenomena, stretching to bangladesh and port cities in the south. there has to be continuity between this civilization and vedic (a post IVC) civilization. to say south india was uninhabited is a stretch.

by goodcitizn Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:50 am

Rashmun wrote:
goodcitizn wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
goodcitizn wrote:
panini press wrote:It is high time for a census of the 33 crore Hindu deities. We need to ascertain their home states, genders, languages, castes, subcastes, literacy statuses, and species affiliations.

GC, are you amused with the thought of what SI's were doing at the time NI's were composing the Vedas? I am, and so please allow me to

On the contrary, you bring a lot of amusement to the board. Without your posts this place would be too boring.

I like your way of handling the bitter truth. On another note I find your posts highly amusing myself.

I think we covered this subject already. Yes, I find truth to be both sweet and palatable. What is bitter and unpalatable to me is a biased opinion on what truth is. We have walked many miles on this road, and most likely, will traverse many more on it. As Rick says to Louie in Casablance ... "this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship!"

by Guest Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:51 am

Huzefa Kapasi wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Huzefa Kapasi wrote:in 2003 i made fun of a sulekha poster who claimed krishna was a NI. it is 2013 but i cannot make fun of rashmun because this time i am dealing with a scholar. woe is me!

Even the renowned sulekha scholar sandilya had claimed that SI was for the most part uninhabited at the time the Vedas and Upanisads were composed. Let us not sacrifice Truth at the altar of political correctness.
i really do not know much about this subject but i do see that current findings suggest that the IVC or post IVC was a pan indian phenomena, stretching to bangladesh and port cities in the south. there has to be continuity between this civilization and vedic (a post IVC) civilization. to say south india was uninhabited is a stretch.

the only way you can explain the existence of the dravidian language Brahui in Pakistan is we agree that the dravidians were pushed to SI by the aryans because the aryans were militarily stronger. Otherwise what is your explanation for Brahui ?

I do not believe that IVC stretched to SI.

by Guest Thu Feb 07, 2013 3:00 am

Rashmun wrote:the only way you can explain the existence of the dravidian language Brahui in Pakistan is we agree that the dravidians were pushed to SI by the aryans because the aryans were militarily stronger. Otherwise what is your explanation for Brahui ?

i do not believe this theory because it is speculative. a band of tamilians speak a quaint gujarati in TN. does it mean gujaratis were pushed out of TN?

I do not believe that IVC stretched to SI.

there is belief it did. some of it is from external sources -- from archaeological ruins in mesopotamia and egypt. we might never find the south indian port cities because they are most likely submerged under the sea. the fact that it extended to bangladesh (and gujarat) does give credence to the idea that it was far flung. a cursory search: http://dilipchandra12.hubpages.com/hub/Ancient-Indus-Valley-Civilization

Both internal and external trade existed. Bullock carts and ships were used for transporting goods. External trade was with Mesopotamia. Exported cotton, ivory, articles such as combs, peacocks, copper and imported precious metals like silver. Both over land and sea routes were used. Mode of exchange was barter. Mesopotamian texts refer to Indus or Saurastra region as Meluha. Internal trade: They might have purchased gold from South India and Iran, Silver from Afghanistan, Copper from Rajasthan, Baluchisthan, Tin from Bihar and Afghanistan and precious stones from South India.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Thu Feb 07, 2013 3:07 am

Rashmun wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:

at the time the Vedas were composed the population of SI was minimal. So all of these deities, i think, are actually NI.

You Naarthies do need that many deities to save you. Please take as many of them as possible. Or, did all these deities got fed up with the Naarthie studpidities and migrated to south?

Hope they are all anti-hindi by now.

Just so you know your ancestors were Naarthies as well. You are the descendant of immigrants from NI to TN.

really...I thought I am a descendant of the Australian Aborigines.

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