Top 2 Tamils of our life time

by Kayalvizhi Mon Aug 26, 2013 11:13 am

Top 2 Tamils of our life time

Commander and M. Karunanidhi

by MaxEntropy_Man Mon Aug 26, 2013 11:15 am

no muththiah muralitharan and ilayaraja.

by Kayalvizhi Mon Aug 26, 2013 11:18 am

Who is muththiah muralitharan?

by MaxEntropy_Man Mon Aug 26, 2013 11:20 am

Kayalvizhi wrote:Who is muththiah muralitharan?

a person who has done a lot more for tamils in sri lanka than your commander. also he is the highest wicket taker in test cricket.

by goodcitizn Mon Aug 26, 2013 11:44 am

Kayalvizhi wrote:Top 2 Tamils of our life time

Commander and M. Karunanidhi

Oh yeah, the same Karunanidhi you called a traitor a couple of years back. What happened? Thanjai Nalankili now likes him so you do too?

by Kayalvizhi Mon Aug 26, 2013 11:48 am

New information that became available made me change my mind about M. Karunanidhi. He is a man who did greatr things quietly and effectively without seeking publicity. But for Wikileaks he would have died without people knowing his love and dedication to Tamil Nadu and the risk he took.

by goodcitizn Mon Aug 26, 2013 12:35 pm

Kayalvizhi wrote:New information that became available made me change my mind about M. Karunanidhi. He is a man who did greatr things quietly and effectively without seeking publicity. But for Wikileaks he would have died without people knowing his love and dedication to Tamil Nadu and the risk he took.

What did Wikileaks say that changed your mind?

by Kayalvizhi Mon Aug 26, 2013 12:39 pm

Excerpt and link to wikileaks cable
http://www.tamiltribune.com/13/0601.html

by goodcitizn Mon Aug 26, 2013 1:18 pm

Kayalvizhi wrote:Excerpt and link to wikileaks cable
http://www.tamiltribune.com/13/0601.html

This is about Rajaram, a DMK minister, asking the Consulate if the U.S. would help Tamil Nadu if it decided to become independent back in 1975. It is also assumed that Karunanidhi was behind it but couldn't openly ask because he'd be jailed for treason.

It is not proven that Karunanidhi wanted a separate Tamil Nadu. Assuming he did, it happened 38 years ago. Who cares? What has he done for your cause lately? If you called Karunanidhi a traitor two years back and changed your mind now because he supported secession 38 years ago, there is something seriously wrong with you.

Both Karunanidhi and Jayalalitha are corrupt. That aside, Jayalalitha has done more for Sri Lankan Tamils than Karunanidhi ever did as the CM of TN who also had Congress at his beck and call as a major coalition partner. Did he raise hell about the atrocities done to SL Tamils, about Rajapaksa and his brother being guilty of war crimes, the shootings of TN fisherman by SL patrol boats, or the move by the SL government to jettison or dilute the 13th Amendment, incorporated after the Indo-Sri Lankan accord of 1987? While I don't personally agree with the move, Jayalalitha not allowing SL players to play in Chennai IPL cricket matches brought attention to TN government's protest over Sri Lankan government's policies and acts against SL Tamil population. What did Karananidhi do during his heyday? Kindly list before you nominate him as a top Tamil.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Mon Aug 26, 2013 1:56 pm

goodcitizn wrote:
Kayalvizhi wrote:Excerpt and link to wikileaks cable
http://www.tamiltribune.com/13/0601.html
This is about Rajaram, a DMK minister, asking the Consulate if the U.S. would help Tamil Nadu if it decided to become independent back in 1975. What did Karananidhi do during his heyday? Kindly list before you nominate him as a top Tamil.

Yeah...MK withdrew his ministers and pulled out of UPA when Kanimozhi and Raja were jailed.

Why didn't he threaten UPA the same way on fishermen issue?

anyway no point in expecting any balanced answers from KV.

by indophile Mon Aug 26, 2013 1:58 pm

Kayalvizhi wrote:Top 2 Tamils of our life time

Commander and M. Karunanidhi

They are: (1) Rajnikanth; and (2) Rajnikanth. Smile

adhunaa tamiLaanaam gaNanaa prasange, kanishhThika-adhishThita Rajneekaantah
adyaapi tattulya tamiLaar-abhaavaat anaamikaa saarthavatee babhoova

When you start counting with your fingers (ranking)today's Tamilians you say Rajnikanth and fold your little finger, and there is no one can be counted as second and put on the next finger (ring finger). So the ring finger is stuck with the label "anaamika" (nameless).

by southindian Mon Aug 26, 2013 3:37 pm

A. Raja, Karunanidhi (Kanimozhi)

The corruptions charges against M. Karunanidhi are so many that he is often referred to as the king or emperor of corruption. He was accused of lending support to the LTTE and was indicted for abetting the LTTE in the interim report which oversaw the investigation into Rajiv Gandhi's assassination.

Karunanidhi reportedly institutionalized corruption in the South. He was a leading player in the cash for votes scams that are common in the southern region, as well as notorious foe extreme nepotism shown under his rule. Not so surprising, is the fact that the main accused in the 2G scam, A, Raja, considers him to be his mentor.

http://in.lifestyle.yahoo.com/10-corrupt-indian-politicians-134933044.html

by goodcitizn Mon Aug 26, 2013 8:01 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
goodcitizn wrote:
Kayalvizhi wrote:Excerpt and link to wikileaks cable
http://www.tamiltribune.com/13/0601.html
This is about Rajaram, a DMK minister, asking the Consulate if the U.S. would help Tamil Nadu if it decided to become independent back in 1975. What did Karananidhi do during his heyday? Kindly list before you nominate him as a top Tamil.
Yeah...MK withdrew his ministers and pulled out of UPA when Kanimozhi and Raja were jailed.

Why didn't he threaten UPA the same way on fishermen issue?

No, Upps. MK didn't pull out when they were in jail. He needed Sonia's help then since he was no longer the CM. Once Kanimozhi got out and it seemed like A.Raja too would be released on bond, he found an excuse to pull his ministers out and agreed to offer support from outside. This was necessary since Kanimozhi has now become MP again.

As for KV, he should realize that if at all a secessionist should get the top billing as a Tamil, this Rajaram fella qualifies more than MK.

by Kayalvizhi Mon Aug 26, 2013 8:56 pm

DMK Minister Rajaram would never approach US to support Tamil Nadu independence declaration without Chief Minister Karunanidhi's knowlege, The US cable also mentions a Tamil educator approaching US consulate and he mentions his conversation with Karunanidhi.

Karunanidhi is a wise practical leader. He sat quietly and at the right time sought US help. Had US agreed to reciognize Tamil Nadu as indep country and willing to defend it against Indian military assault, Karunanidhi would have declared independence.

You say its 38 years ago. Therre was no other opportunity after that. If today US attacks India for whatever reason I am sure Karunanidhi would declare Tamil Nadu independence with US support.

I am satisfied that Karunanidhi is a great leader of Tamil Nadu.

by goodcitizn Mon Aug 26, 2013 9:17 pm

Kayalvizhi wrote:DMK Minister Rajaram would never approach US to support Tamil Nadu independence declaration without Chief Minister Karunanidhi's knowlege, The US cable also mentions a Tamil educator approaching US consulate and he mentions his conversation with Karunanidhi.

Karunanidhi is a wise practical leader. He sat quietly and at the right time sought US help. Had US agreed to reciognize Tamil Nadu as indep country and willing to defend it against Indian military assault, Karunanidhi would have declared independence.

You say its 38 years ago. Therre was no other opportunity after that. If today US attacks India for whatever reason I am sure Karunanidhi would declare Tamil Nadu independence with US support.

I am satisfied that Karunanidhi is a great leader of Tamil Nadu.

Who cares what he did or didn't do 38 years ago? Why don't you compare him with just Jayalalitha as to who has represented the plight of SL Tamils, railed against SL govt atrocities at the center, fought for TN fisherman, asked for Katchatheevu etc better? You are so fickle in calling MK a traitor one year and hailing him as great leader the next. Who the hell knows what Nalankili will say next year that you will parrot?

by Rishi Mon Aug 26, 2013 9:18 pm

KV,

Karunanidhi is a brahmin hater. If he had gotten his independent TN, there would have been a big genocide against that community.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Mon Aug 26, 2013 9:29 pm

Kayalvizhi wrote:DMK Minister Rajaram would never approach US to support Tamil Nadu independence declaration without Chief Minister Karunanidhi's knowlege, The US cable also mentions a Tamil educator approaching US consulate and he mentions his conversation with Karunanidhi.

Karunanidhi is a wise practical leader. He sat quietly and at the right time sought US help. Had US agreed to reciognize Tamil Nadu as indep country and willing to defend it against Indian military assault, Karunanidhi would have declared independence.

Dude: Even I would have declared an independent Tamil Nadu... The real bravery is if he had done it DESPITE not getting US support. Sissy Oldie MK - the corrupt scoundrel of TN.

Goes to prove how the LTTE were singing independence for Ealam and TN thus convincing the innocent tamils of their Patriotism, while at the same time they were looted.

People like KV willing to let liars like MK and Pirabhakaran to loot the Tamils and Tamil Nadu.

by Kayalvizhi Mon Aug 26, 2013 9:44 pm

goodcitizn wrote:
I Who cares what he did or didn't do 38 years ago? Why don't you compare him with just Jayalalitha as to who has represented the plight of SL Tamils, railed against SL govt atrocities at the center, fought for TN fisherman, asked for Katchatheevu etc better? You are so fickle in calling MK a traitor one year and hailing him as great leader the next. Who the hell knows what Nalankili will say next year that you will parrot?

I have praise Jaya for what she did and criticized Karuna for what he did not.

But Jaya's actrion and Karunana's inaction produced same results that are continued Indian actions against Tamils. Only way Tamils can be protected is Tamilnadu independence., Karuna did his best at the approoppriate time. That is all I can ask from a leader.

by goodcitizn Mon Aug 26, 2013 9:48 pm

Kayalvizhi wrote:
goodcitizn wrote:
I Who cares what he did or didn't do 38 years ago? Why don't you compare him with just Jayalalitha as to who has represented the plight of SL Tamils, railed against SL govt atrocities at the center, fought for TN fisherman, asked for Katchatheevu etc better? You are so fickle in calling MK a traitor one year and hailing him as great leader the next. Who the hell knows what Nalankili will say next year that you will parrot?
I have praise Jaya for what she did and criticized Karuna for what he did not.

But Jaya's actrion and Karunana's inaction produced same results that are continued Indian actions against Tamils. Only way Tamils can be protected is Tamilnadu independence., Karuna did his best at the approoppriate time. That is all I can ask from a leader.

Yes, he'd have looted Tamil Nadu a hundred times over if it was a country under his leadership.

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