Re: Sunanda Pushkar Tharoor found dead

by Guest Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:10 am

Reading this April 2010 article made me wonder if Tharoor would have been much happier had he stayed on with Tilottama. I am also slightly puzzled as to why there has been no SI woman in his life.

-----

Tilottama Tharoor:

Half-Bengali, half-Kashmiri, Tilottama (nee Mukherji) is a couple of years older than Tharoor. She studied at Loreto House and Loreto College, Kolkata, and was known for her debating prowess and 'Bengali ethnic' looks.

Tharoor and she were both very popular with members of the opposite sex, and when they started seeing each other, their admirers in Kolkata would say, "Shashi is smart, but she is no less." The two married young and had twins, Kanishk and Ishaan - the first is an associate with the e-magazine, Open Democracy, and the second is a Hong Kong-based journalist with Timemagazine. Tilottama followed her husband as he progressed in his career in the UN ("she let him flower," say folks in Kolkata to this day).

But the two split after they "grew apart", as Tharoor put it in an interview recently. Tilottama is a humanities professor at New York University, and is a prominent face on the intellectual circuit of both Kolkata and New York, who is seen at book launches and film festivals. A gay and lesbian rights activist, she was one of the signatories to the statement initiated by Nobel laureate Amartya Sen and writer Vikram Seth against Section 377 of the Indian Penal Code.

Christa Giles:

The Deputy secretary of the United Nations Disarmament Commission, Giles married Tharoor in 2007, after what was believed to be a long affair, which led to many a whisper down the corridors of the UN headquarters in New York.

During the last one year, the minister has hinted at the tremendous personal sacrifice he's had to make by joining politics. He has talked about the "pain" of separation from his wife. Sources reveal that matters between the two had come to a head recently, and they made a last-ditch attempt to save their marriage some weeks back with a holiday in Udaipur.

Those close to Tharoor fear that media reports of his "friendship" with Sunanda Pushkar will worsen his strained ties with Giles.

Read more at: http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/Tharoor+&+the+tale+of+ex+and+estranged+spouses/1/92750.html

by michelle2 Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:29 am

Rashmun wrote:Reading this April 2010 article made me wonder if Tharoor would have been much happier had he stayed on with Tilottama. I am also slightly puzzled as to why there has been no SI woman in his life.

-----

Tilottama Tharoor:

But the two split after they "grew apart", as Tharoor put it in an interview recently.

>> that's another way of saying "women's breasts sag as they age".

by Guest Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:47 am

latest update on this is that Tharoor had suffered a 'cardiac event' (by which i understand perhaps a minor heart attack) although some uncharitable people--basing their claim on sources in AIIMS where he was admitted--- have been saying on twitter that this is all acting on the part of Tharoor.
Also, Tharoor's staff has reported to a magistrate that Sunanda had not eaten anything for the last two days and was surviving on alcohol and sleeping pills and was also smoking.

What i found particularly intriguing was that Tharoor and Sunanda had checked into two separate rooms in the hotel. This would indicate that they had been living separately for some time.

by Guest Sat Jan 18, 2014 4:38 am

Post-mortem on Sunanda reveals injury marks on her body. Doctors refuse to comment on whether the injuries on her body are linked to her death. In other news an email exchange of Tharoor and Mehr are published by India Today:

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/mehr-tarar-personal-email-to-shahi-tharoor-im-very-sorry-about-what-is-happening-in-your-life/1/338466.html

by Guest Sat Jan 18, 2014 4:49 am

There are injury marks on the Sunanda's body and post-mortem report will be out in two-three days. We are focusing on the angle of sudden, unnatural death, said Dr Gupta.

http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/live-injury-marks-on-sunanda-pushkar-s-body-says-aiims-doctor_905019.html?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

by MaxEntropy_Man Sat Jan 18, 2014 4:52 am

michelle2 wrote:
pravalika nanda wrote:
bw wrote:after a failed marriage or 3, shouldn't a guy realize that he isn't cut out for long term relationships? also, guess it is a good idea to ensure that the to-be-hurt party isn't a psycho who will ruin your life for good. not everyone is as understanding as hillary clinton.
a poet, a politician, a romantic, shakespeare theater actor.

>> but most of all, an international diplomat, and a writer. letting fly without knowing anything about the man, aren't you? just because there's a forum to post at?

a dandy with silky hair flopping over his forehead. He had sophistication and very average smarts but one has to also be kind and good in order to make a marriage work and it doesn't seem like this guy had that. In the best marriages people show empathy towards each other.

>> have you ever known a handsome, intelligent, stylishly dressed, urbane man? have you ever been touched by one? no? have you ever talked to one? no? what do you know about marriages?

stylish? i thought that was standard issue nehru uniform for congress politicians, that thing he wears.

by Merlot Daruwala Sat Jan 18, 2014 5:23 am

Jet lag, prof?

by MaxEntropy_Man Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:06 am

Merlot Daruwala wrote:Jet lag, prof?

no just deadlines and insomnia.

by nevada Sat Jan 18, 2014 1:07 pm

Sunanda's death a pre planned murder, says Subramanian Swamy

Commenting on the sudden death of Sunanda Pushkar, Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) leader Subramanian Swamy said that it seems to be a case of pre-planned murder.

"The injury marks on her body, and the way this case is unfolding, it seems to be a well-planned murder. We must know what is the truth, and who was she likely to harm, for whom was her living a dangerous thing," he said.

by truthbetold Sat Jan 18, 2014 1:12 pm

Tharoor is done. Here are the facts:
3rd marriage.
gets a lot of tweets from a hottie from an enemy land.
Wife goes public. With details.
wife and husband book seperate rooms at hotel.
Wife, 52, dies suddenly.
Doctors declare the death sudden and unnatural.
Any ordinary citizen would have been arrested for murder.
Tharoor is not likely to get away with this one.

by seven Sat Jan 18, 2014 1:14 pm

@ the email exchange, what would you do if your spouse was against your friendship with someone ?

by nevada Sat Jan 18, 2014 1:55 pm

truthbetold wrote:Tharoor is done. Here are the facts:
3rd marriage.
gets a lot of tweets from a hottie from an enemy land.
Wife goes public. With details.
wife and husband book seperate rooms at hotel.
Wife, 52, dies suddenly.
Doctors declare the death sudden and unnatural.
Any ordinary citizen would have been arrested for murder.
Tharoor is not likely to get away with this one.

I don't think so. This wouldn't have happened without the blessings of higher ups.

by Guest Sat Jan 18, 2014 1:57 pm

nevada wrote:
truthbetold wrote:Tharoor is done. Here are the facts:
3rd marriage.
gets a lot of tweets from a hottie from an enemy land.
Wife goes public. With details.
wife and husband book seperate rooms at hotel.
Wife, 52, dies suddenly.
Doctors declare the death sudden and unnatural.
Any ordinary citizen would have been arrested for murder.
Tharoor is not likely to get away with this one.

I don't think so. This wouldn't have happened without the blessings of higher ups.

You guys believe it's a murder, not a suicide?

by MaxEntropy_Man Sat Jan 18, 2014 1:58 pm

most likely she offed herself. seems like an unstable individual.

by nevada Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:16 pm

Kinnera wrote:
nevada wrote:
truthbetold wrote:Tharoor is done. Here are the facts:
3rd marriage.
gets a lot of tweets from a hottie from an enemy land.
Wife goes public. With details.
wife and husband book seperate rooms at hotel.
Wife, 52, dies suddenly.
Doctors declare the death sudden and unnatural.
Any ordinary citizen would have been arrested for murder.
Tharoor is not likely to get away with this one.

I don't think so. This wouldn't have happened without the blessings of higher ups.
You guys believe it's a murder, not a suicide?

Maybe if the death happened a month later I would have thought suicide but with the rapid speed with which events unfolded, I think "damage control" happened.

by Guest Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:56 pm

If I or anyone I know was taking on things like a Union minister, people mixed in fraud of tens of crores, and ISI, the first thing I would do is to be (or advise them to be) in a very very safe hidden place. In that respect, I feel bad for Pushkar. In her last moments, whether they came from suicide either coz of depression or bullying, or natural causes, or murder, she was truly alone.

by Guest Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:09 pm

Tracy Whitney wrote:If I or anyone I know was taking on things like a Union minister, people mixed in fraud of tens of crores, and ISI, the first thing I would do is to be (or advise them to be) in a very very safe hidden place. In that respect, I feel bad for Pushkar. In her last moments, whether they came from suicide either coz of depression or bullying, or natural causes, or murder, she was truly alone.

Tharoor is a central minister. Whether Tarar has ISI links or not, whether she is a spy or not, it's not a good idea for him to have gotten emotionally involved with an enemy country's journalist. What if he slips out any confidential information to her? Not good for the country. How could he have been so irresponsible?

by Seva Lamberdar Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:18 pm

Kinnera wrote:
Tracy Whitney wrote:If I or anyone I know was taking on things like a Union minister, people mixed in fraud of tens of crores, and ISI, the first thing I would do is to be (or advise them to be) in a very very safe hidden place. In that respect, I feel bad for Pushkar. In her last moments, whether they came from suicide either coz of depression or bullying, or natural causes, or murder, she was truly alone.
Tharoor is a central minister. Whether Tarar has ISI links or not, whether she is a spy or not, it's not a good idea for him to have gotten emotionally involved with an enemy country's journalist. What if he slips out any confidential information to her? Not good for the country. How could he have been so irresponsible?

Would it be okay for him to get emotionally involved with a friendly country's journalist, where there might be little chance of his passing to her any confidential information which could be used against India?

by truthbetold Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:21 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:most likely she offed herself. seems like an unstable individual.

offered herself to what?
she clearly said at the end of tweets that she is not going to allow this situation to go on. She sounded ready to kill rather than be killed.
As Nevada pointed in an earlier message, the timeline clear points to action from other side.
Taroor's backers may try to deflect the gage but in cases like this it is difficult to reach another conclusion.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:24 pm

truthbetold wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:most likely she offed herself. seems like an unstable individual.
offered herself to what?
she clearly said at the end of tweets that she is not going to allow this situation to go on. She sounded ready to kill rather than be killed.
As Nevada pointed in an earlier message, the timeline clear points to action from other side.
Taroor's backers may try to deflect the gage but in cases like this it is difficult to reach another conclusion.

off as in opposite of on.

by pravalika nanda Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:25 pm

seven wrote:@ the email exchange, what would you do if your spouse was against your friendship with someone ?

then you can't be their friend. your spouse and you are family and family comes first. if you're friends with someone in a way that makes your spouse uncomfortable, then it's your fault too. when you're old and ill who's going to change your colostomy bag, your spouse or your friend or that person you had an affair with behind your spouse's back?

by pravalika nanda Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:28 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
truthbetold wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:most likely she offed herself. seems like an unstable individual.
offered herself to what?
she clearly said at the end of tweets that she is not going to allow this situation to go on. She sounded ready to kill rather than be killed.
As Nevada pointed in an earlier message, the timeline clear points to action from other side.
Taroor's backers may try to deflect the gage but in cases like this it is difficult to reach another conclusion.

off as in opposite of on.

btw I do love the way you've been saying she "offed herself" (although I don't agree). it almost makes me laugh.

by Guest Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:32 pm

Accompanying Sunanda's body - wrapped in a maroon Kashmiri shawl -- were Tharoor and her family members, including her octogenarian father Poshkar Nath Dass, a retired Lieutenant Colonel, her brother Colonel Rajesh Pushkar and 21-year-old son Shiv Menon from her second marriage. Tharoor, looking haggard but composed, bent down to kiss Sunanda on her forehead and eyes just before her body was covered with wooden logs. It was young Shiv who performed the last rites. Shiv's poise threatened to give away just before he lit the pyre. "You are not going to cry," Sunanda's father told his grand-son firmly, and Shiv held his tears. Tharoor put his arm around Shiv twice but both times, the boy moved away.

Read more at: http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/sunanda-pushkar-tharoor-shashi-tharoor-lodhi-crematorium-nalini-singh-shiv-menon/1/338556.html

by Guest Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:35 pm

Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Kinnera wrote:
Tracy Whitney wrote:If I or anyone I know was taking on things like a Union minister, people mixed in fraud of tens of crores, and ISI, the first thing I would do is to be (or advise them to be) in a very very safe hidden place. In that respect, I feel bad for Pushkar. In her last moments, whether they came from suicide either coz of depression or bullying, or natural causes, or murder, she was truly alone.
Tharoor is a central minister. Whether Tarar has ISI links or not, whether she is a spy or not, it's not a good idea for him to have gotten emotionally involved with an enemy country's journalist. What if he slips out any confidential information to her? Not good for the country. How could he have been so irresponsible?

Would it be okay for him to get emotionally involved with a friendly country's journalist, where there might be little chance of his passing to her any confidential information which could be used against India?

What if the friendly country's journalist happens to be a spy of an enemy country? Still doesn't seem like a good idea. People in that position need to be more careful.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:41 pm

pravalika nanda wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
truthbetold wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:most likely she offed herself. seems like an unstable individual.
offered herself to what?
she clearly said at the end of tweets that she is not going to allow this situation to go on. She sounded ready to kill rather than be killed.
As Nevada pointed in an earlier message, the timeline clear points to action from other side.
Taroor's backers may try to deflect the gage but in cases like this it is difficult to reach another conclusion.

off as in opposite of on.

btw I do love the way you've been saying she "offed herself" (although I don't agree). it almost makes me laugh.

conspiracy theories are not my first go to response nearly always. the news that has come out says she overdosed. nothing that we know about tharoor suggests that he is capable of murder or resorting to hired guns to murder his wife. he may be finished in the court of public opinion, but i don't think he's going to be found guilty in a court of law of anything in connection with this matter, and the reason quite simply is that he is not involved. that's what my gut tells me.

the price you pay for being in the public eye is your troubles being discussed threadbare by anonymous strangers publicly. poor fellow.

by Guest Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:45 pm

nevada wrote:
Kinnera wrote:
nevada wrote:
truthbetold wrote:Tharoor is done. Here are the facts:
3rd marriage.
gets a lot of tweets from a hottie from an enemy land.
Wife goes public. With details.
wife and husband book seperate rooms at hotel.
Wife, 52, dies suddenly.
Doctors declare the death sudden and unnatural.
Any ordinary citizen would have been arrested for murder.
Tharoor is not likely to get away with this one.

I don't think so. This wouldn't have happened without the blessings of higher ups.
You guys believe it's a murder, not a suicide?

Maybe if the death happened a month later I would have thought suicide but with the rapid speed with which events unfolded, I think "damage control" happened.

hmm.....maybe.

"According to her(Nalini Singh), Sunanda had "some big plans" and it doesn't quite fit with the suicide theory."....from the link that Rashmun posted above.

Read more at: http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/sunanda-pushkar-tharoor-shashi-tharoor-lodhi-crematorium-nalini-singh-shiv-menon/1/338556.html

by Guest Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:50 pm

Kinnera wrote:
nevada wrote:
Kinnera wrote:
nevada wrote:
truthbetold wrote:Tharoor is done. Here are the facts:
3rd marriage.
gets a lot of tweets from a hottie from an enemy land.
Wife goes public. With details.
wife and husband book seperate rooms at hotel.
Wife, 52, dies suddenly.
Doctors declare the death sudden and unnatural.
Any ordinary citizen would have been arrested for murder.
Tharoor is not likely to get away with this one.

I don't think so. This wouldn't have happened without the blessings of higher ups.
You guys believe it's a murder, not a suicide?

Maybe if the death happened a month later I would have thought suicide but with the rapid speed with which events unfolded, I think "damage control" happened.
hmm.....maybe.

"According to her(Nalini Singh), Sunanda had "some big plans" and it doesn't quite fit with the suicide theory."....from the link that Rashmun posted above.

Read more at: http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/sunanda-pushkar-tharoor-shashi-tharoor-lodhi-crematorium-nalini-singh-shiv-menon/1/338556.html

It may have been the result of consuming a lethal combination of different drugs for her various ailments combined with sedatives or sleeping pills. Possibly an accidental overdose. But I want to know more about the injury marks on her body about which the doctors are not giving details.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:51 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Kinnera wrote:
nevada wrote:
Kinnera wrote:
nevada wrote:

I don't think so. This wouldn't have happened without the blessings of higher ups.
You guys believe it's a murder, not a suicide?

Maybe if the death happened a month later I would have thought suicide but with the rapid speed with which events unfolded, I think "damage control" happened.
hmm.....maybe.

"According to her(Nalini Singh), Sunanda had "some big plans" and it doesn't quite fit with the suicide theory."....from the link that Rashmun posted above.

Read more at: http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/sunanda-pushkar-tharoor-shashi-tharoor-lodhi-crematorium-nalini-singh-shiv-menon/1/338556.html

It may have been the result of consuming a lethal combination of different drugs for her various ailments combined with sedatives or sleeping pills. Possibly an accidental overdose. But I want to know more about the injury marks on her body about which the doctors are not giving details.

fell down and hit herself against something most likely.

by Guest Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:52 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
pravalika nanda wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
truthbetold wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:most likely she offed herself. seems like an unstable individual.
offered herself to what?
she clearly said at the end of tweets that she is not going to allow this situation to go on. She sounded ready to kill rather than be killed.
As Nevada pointed in an earlier message, the timeline clear points to action from other side.
Taroor's backers may try to deflect the gage but in cases like this it is difficult to reach another conclusion.

off as in opposite of on.

btw I do love the way you've been saying she "offed herself" (although I don't agree). it almost makes me laugh.

conspiracy theories are not my first go to response nearly always. the news that has come out says she overdosed. nothing that we know about tharoor suggests that he is capable of murder or resorting to hired guns to murder his wife. he may be finished in the court of public opinion, but i don't think he's going to be found guilty in a court of law of anything in connection with this matter, and the reason quite simply is that he is not involved. that's what my gut tells me.

the price you pay for being in the public eye is your troubles being discussed threadbare by anonymous strangers publicly. poor fellow.

I don't think Taroor would've been involved with the murder of his wife. It could be others who want to shut her up. That angle may need to be explored.

My hunch is that it's a suicide. She was distraught and depressed a few days before her death, and had been drinking heavily, smoking and on drugs (don't know what kind. maybe sleeping pills, antidepressants, etc), according to sources. It could be a drug combined with alcohol over dosage or an intentional suicide. Her tweet posts could've been made in her depressed and inebriated state.

by Guest Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:56 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Kinnera wrote:
nevada wrote:
Kinnera wrote:
You guys believe it's a murder, not a suicide?

Maybe if the death happened a month later I would have thought suicide but with the rapid speed with which events unfolded, I think "damage control" happened.
hmm.....maybe.

"According to her(Nalini Singh), Sunanda had "some big plans" and it doesn't quite fit with the suicide theory."....from the link that Rashmun posted above.

Read more at: http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/sunanda-pushkar-tharoor-shashi-tharoor-lodhi-crematorium-nalini-singh-shiv-menon/1/338556.html

It may have been the result of consuming a lethal combination of different drugs for her various ailments combined with sedatives or sleeping pills. Possibly an accidental overdose. But I want to know more about the injury marks on her body about which the doctors are not giving details.

fell down and hit herself against something most likely.

Would you suspect murder if the toxicology report rules out the possibility of any kind of drug overdose or drug reaction due to consuming a lethal cocktail of different drugs.

by Guest Sat Jan 18, 2014 4:04 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Would you suspect murder if the toxicology report rules out the possibility of any kind of drug overdose or drug reaction due to consuming a lethal cocktail of different drugs.

Maybe Tarar indeed has ISI links as claimed by Sunanda and maybe there is some Videshi Hasth involved in her murder. India needs to take this srsly and investigate from all angles.

by Guest Sat Jan 18, 2014 4:06 pm

Kinnera wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Would you suspect murder if the toxicology report rules out the possibility of any kind of drug overdose or drug reaction due to consuming a lethal cocktail of different drugs.

Maybe Tarar indeed has ISI links as claimed by Sunanda and maybe there is some Videshi Hasth involved in her murder. India needs to take this srsly and investigate from all angles.

I don't buy this Tarar being an ISI agent allegation of Sunanda. Sunanda should have provided evidence as to why she is calling Tarar an ISI agent if she wanted people to take her seriously.

by Guest Sat Jan 18, 2014 4:09 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Kinnera wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Would you suspect murder if the toxicology report rules out the possibility of any kind of drug overdose or drug reaction due to consuming a lethal cocktail of different drugs.

Maybe Tarar indeed has ISI links as claimed by Sunanda and maybe there is some Videshi Hasth involved in her murder. India needs to take this srsly and investigate from all angles.

I don't buy this Tarar being an ISI agent allegation of Sunanda. Sunanda should have provided evidence as to why she is calling Tarar an ISI agent if she wanted people to take her seriously.

Maybe she had that info and wanted to share it, but silenced before doing that (or silenced from doing that).

Anyway, let's wait for the forensic reports.

by Guest Sat Jan 18, 2014 4:10 pm

The preliminary report on this issue is suggesting death due to drug overdose though this needs to be confirmed in the toxicology analysis:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Drug-overdose-may-have-killed-Sunanda-Pushkar-Autopsy/articleshow/29023493.cms

by pravalika nanda Sat Jan 18, 2014 4:11 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
pravalika nanda wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
truthbetold wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:most likely she offed herself. seems like an unstable individual.
offered herself to what?
she clearly said at the end of tweets that she is not going to allow this situation to go on. She sounded ready to kill rather than be killed.
As Nevada pointed in an earlier message, the timeline clear points to action from other side.
Taroor's backers may try to deflect the gage but in cases like this it is difficult to reach another conclusion.

off as in opposite of on.

btw I do love the way you've been saying she "offed herself" (although I don't agree). it almost makes me laugh.

conspiracy theories are not my first go to response nearly always. the news that has come out says she overdosed. nothing that we know about tharoor suggests that he is capable of murder or resorting to hired guns to murder his wife. he may be finished in the court of public opinion, but i don't think he's going to be found guilty in a court of law of anything in connection with this matter, and the reason quite simply is that he is not involved. that's what my gut tells me.

the price you pay for being in the public eye is your troubles being discussed threadbare by anonymous strangers publicly. poor fellow.

Based on the inappropriate intimacy in the emails he exchanged with Mehr, it is clear that he was having an affair with her, had discussed his wife with this woman, and failed to protect her privacy. I hope you know that by "affair" I don't necessarily mean that he was meeting her in secret locations and having torrid sex. He had presented his wife in a poor way to some other person and I think it is enough to cause a spouse grief.

I think Sunanda found out, questioned him, and he was probably manipulative and taunted her and she was hurt, drank too much, used drugs and vented her frustration in public. A seasoned suave smooth-talking international diplomat vs a chubby hurt wife. who do you think had the upper hand? Ultimately he may have said and done things that really drove her up the wall and caused her to overdose. I think he is at a minimum guilty of criminal marital neglect. I think it's possible to have a situation like the one in woody allen's "crimes and misdemeanors" here. Cuz we will never the truth.

If he is so intelligent and cared a whit, he would have at least taken his wife to the hospital if she was drinking too much and most certainly if prescription or street drugs were involved his behavior is unpardonable. I know several uneducated who bring their family to the hospital before things get out of hand.

I don't know why you feel sorry for him. He was cheating on his wife as he had done on his other wives. He neglected her in her period of sorrow of which he was the cause and thought he could walk off scot-free. He deserves it all and he deserves more. In the end we will all remember him for his eloquent speech and sartorial elegance.

by Guest Sat Jan 18, 2014 4:12 pm

Rashmun wrote:The preliminary report on this issue is suggesting death due to drug overdose though this needs to be confirmed in the toxicology analysis:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Drug-overdose-may-have-killed-Sunanda-Pushkar-Autopsy/articleshow/29023493.cms

Yeah, most likely.

Edit: Actually, that explains her insane twitter posts too. No sane person in the right frame of mind would do that (going public with her family affairs). She would've done that in her distraught and drunken state.

by pravalika nanda Sat Jan 18, 2014 4:17 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Kinnera wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Would you suspect murder if the toxicology report rules out the possibility of any kind of drug overdose or drug reaction due to consuming a lethal cocktail of different drugs.

Maybe Tarar indeed has ISI links as claimed by Sunanda and maybe there is some Videshi Hasth involved in her murder. India needs to take this srsly and investigate from all angles.

I don't buy this Tarar being an ISI agent allegation of Sunanda. Sunanda should have provided evidence as to why she is calling Tarar an ISI agent if she wanted people to take her seriously.

well she can't provide any evidence now as she offed herself from her twitter account.

by Guest Sat Jan 18, 2014 4:25 pm

pravalika nanda wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
pravalika nanda wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
truthbetold wrote:
offered herself to what?
she clearly said at the end of tweets that she is not going to allow this situation to go on. She sounded ready to kill rather than be killed.
As Nevada pointed in an earlier message, the timeline clear points to action from other side.
Taroor's backers may try to deflect the gage but in cases like this it is difficult to reach another conclusion.

off as in opposite of on.

btw I do love the way you've been saying she "offed herself" (although I don't agree). it almost makes me laugh.

conspiracy theories are not my first go to response nearly always. the news that has come out says she overdosed. nothing that we know about tharoor suggests that he is capable of murder or resorting to hired guns to murder his wife. he may be finished in the court of public opinion, but i don't think he's going to be found guilty in a court of law of anything in connection with this matter, and the reason quite simply is that he is not involved. that's what my gut tells me.

the price you pay for being in the public eye is your troubles being discussed threadbare by anonymous strangers publicly. poor fellow.

Based on the inappropriate intimacy in the emails he exchanged with Mehr, it is clear that he was having an affair with her, had discussed his wife with this woman, and failed to protect her privacy. I hope you know that by "affair" I don't necessarily mean that he was meeting her in secret locations and having torrid sex. He had presented his wife in a poor way to some other person and I think it is enough to cause a spouse grief.

I think Sunanda found out, questioned him, and he was probably manipulative and taunted her and she was hurt, drank too much, used drugs and vented her frustration in public. A seasoned suave smooth-talking international diplomat vs a chubby hurt wife. who do you think had the upper hand? Ultimately he may have said and done things that really drove her up the wall and caused her to overdose. I think he is at a minimum guilty of criminal marital neglect. I think it's possible to have a situation like the one in woody allen's "crimes and misdemeanors" here. Cuz we will never the truth.

If he is so intelligent and cared a whit, he would have at least taken his wife to the hospital if she was drinking too much and most certainly if prescription or street drugs were involved his behavior is unpardonable. I know several uneducated who bring their family to the hospital before things get out of hand.

I don't know why you feel sorry for him. He was cheating on his wife as he had done on his other wives. He neglected her in her period of sorrow of which he was the cause and thought he could walk off scot-free. He deserves it all and he deserves more. In the end we will all remember him for his eloquent speech and sartorial elegance.

Only a few days before her death she had been through a complete medical checkup in a top hospital in Thiruvanthapuram.

by confuzzled dude Sat Jan 18, 2014 4:44 pm

What's the big deal guys? When I read about her & her background a few years ago, during the height of IPL controversy, I thought she was one of those high-class whores commonly seen in the upper class circles. So this Tharoor guy married then his girlfriend! look what happened now, dude came across as a wanna be sleazeball. I tell ya what, con-goons can't do one thing right these days. I think Sonia miscalculated letting these so called cream of the crop, sophisticated, western educated good for nothing idiots (though sounds like it, I'm not criticizing SuCHErs at all Smile

) run the show for too long.

by Hellsangel Sat Jan 18, 2014 5:07 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:What's the big deal guys? When I read about her & her background a few years ago, during the height of IPL controversy, I thought she was one of those high-class whores commonly seen in the upper class circles. So this Tharoor guy married then his girlfriend! look what happened now, dude came across as a wanna be sleazeball. I tell ya what, con-goons can't do one thing right these days. I think Sonia miscalculated letting these so called cream of the crop, sophisticated, western educated good for nothing idiots (though sounds like it, I'm not criticizing SuCHErs at all ) run the show for too long.

Yes, Comrade. She was a member of the bourgeois. Death to the bourgeois! Long live the proletariat!

by Rishi Sat Jan 18, 2014 5:40 pm

pravalika nanda wrote: I think it's possible to have a situation like the one in woody allen's "crimes and misdemeanors" here. Cuz we will never the truth.

>>>Woody Allen himself is not new to controversy. Look at all the stuff that is coming out now about his behavior in personal life.

by Guest Sat Jan 18, 2014 6:22 pm

http://qz.com/168455/indian-media-failed-sunanda-pushkar-and-now-shes-dead/

by Rishi Sat Jan 18, 2014 6:28 pm

Rashmun wrote:http://qz.com/168455/indian-media-failed-sunanda-pushkar-and-now-shes-dead/

Indian media was less critical about its own practices. Shortly after the Economic Times piece, the news channel NDTV got Pushkar on the phone for an interview. They didn’t ask her about the “crimes of this man.” At one point during the live phone conversation, when Pushkar said she regretted choosing silence during the cricket controversy, the interviewer changed the subject, “Ma’am, you do realize you’re live on NDTV? Also, aren’t you worried the BJP [the party in opposition] will take up this issue?” The channel’s concern for the minister’s career, not the details of Pushkar’s revelation, was dismaying.

>> The media dropped the ball on that one.

by bw Sat Jan 18, 2014 7:44 pm

pravalika nanda wrote:

Based on the inappropriate intimacy in the emails he exchanged with Mehr, it is clear that he was having an affair with her, had discussed his wife with this woman, and failed to protect her privacy. I hope you know that by "affair" I don't necessarily mean that he was meeting her in secret locations and having torrid sex. He had presented his wife in a poor way to some other person and I think it is enough to cause a spouse grief.

I think Sunanda found out, questioned him, and he was probably manipulative and taunted her and she was hurt, drank too much, used drugs and vented her frustration in public. A seasoned suave smooth-talking international diplomat vs a chubby hurt wife. who do you think had the upper hand? Ultimately he may have said and done things that really drove her up the wall and caused her to overdose. I think he is at a minimum guilty of criminal marital neglect. I think it's possible to have a situation like the one in woody allen's "crimes and misdemeanors" here. Cuz we will never the truth.

If he is so intelligent and cared a whit, he would have at least taken his wife to the hospital if she was drinking too much and most certainly if prescription or street drugs were involved his behavior is unpardonable. I know several uneducated who bring their family to the hospital before things get out of hand.

I don't know why you feel sorry for him. He was cheating on his wife as he had done on his other wives. He neglected her in her period of sorrow of which he was the cause and thought he could walk off scot-free. He deserves it all and he deserves more. In the end we will all remember him for his eloquent speech and sartorial elegance.

the only people i feel sorry for are her son and her parents. she could have dealt with her straying husband in a much more dignified fashion a long time ago.

by Petrichor Sat Jan 18, 2014 8:17 pm

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/mehr-tarar-personal-email-to-shahi-tharoor-im-very-sorry-about-what-is-happening-in-your-life/1/338466.html

ah...the platonic intellectually arousing friendship between a man and a woman that is not his wife!

by Guest Sat Jan 18, 2014 8:26 pm

much easier to be the other women (or friend) and sympathize/joke about the wife, much harder to be that wife and know what's being said about you, specially if you are smart enough. Having being on both the sides, totally understand.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sat Jan 18, 2014 8:42 pm

Tracy Whitney wrote:much easier to be the other women (or friend) and sympathize/joke about the wife, much harder to be that wife and know what's being said about you, specially if you are smart enough. Having being on both the sides, totally understand.

mehr tarar seems like a very dignified woman. i can't see how what she has said in this message could be misconstrued.

by Guest Sat Jan 18, 2014 8:57 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Tracy Whitney wrote:much easier to be the other women (or friend) and sympathize/joke about the wife, much harder to be that wife and know what's being said about you, specially if you are smart enough. Having being on both the sides, totally understand.

mehr tarar seems like a very dignified woman. i can't see how what she has said in this message could be misconstrued.

I didn't misconstrue anything. Mehr was totally on spot with that email. Totally understand her POV. However, it's easier being an outsider and be dignified and clarify the misunderstanding and be magnanimous. However I can also see Sunanda's POV, knowing how it feels when your own spouse talks about you and your feelings with anyone else. To be honest, and this is funny. I can also see Tharoor's POV of a spouse who's stuck between a spouse and a friend. That's why I have been mostly quiet on this topic so far (I mean the story before the death happened). It's hard for me to decide who to empathize the most with.

by truthbetold Sat Jan 18, 2014 9:11 pm

Assuming that sunanda "offer" herself, my question is why would someone like her commit suicide?
She has financial and intellectual means to live a productive life without shahi tharoor. She has family and big friend circle.
I am not trying to argue that she did not commit suicide. I am trying to understand why would a person with so many resources decides to kill herself instead of picking a new path and creating a new becoming? Why?

by MaxEntropy_Man Sat Jan 18, 2014 9:18 pm

truthbetold wrote:Assuming that sunanda "offer" herself, my question is why would someone like her commit suicide?
?

i said "offed" not "offered", as in switch oneself off, like switching a light bulb off. why do you keep saying offered? she was upset in the presumably mistaken belief that her husband was carrying on with this pakistani journalist. and no assurances from him could assuage her fears. hence she killed herself.

by Sponsored content