Question Indian batting tactics

by truthbetold Sun Jul 24, 2011 7:02 am

On day 3, Dravid and Dhoni have 20 overs to new ball. Jonathan Trott is bowling allowing his regular pace trio to rest for new ball. India needs about 80 runs to avoid fallow on.

Every one knows the remaining Indian batting is vulnerable against fast bowling and new ball. It was proven later. England was hoping to get through lean overs economically. Dhoni and Rahul scored at or less than 2 runs an over. Dhoni played with over abundance of caution against Trott. With right approach, India could have added 60 plus runs instead of meagre 40 runs in those overs. That could have eased pressure on the batting. May it would have allowed the last few swing their bats and add few more runs.

Most teams like to knock the ball around the last session and in particular in the last hour. India shuts the shop about 30 min to the end and waits for early morning fresh bowlers and loses 2 or three wickets in the morning. Taking advantage of opponents when their physical and mental fatigue takes over is important to increase the odds of success in any sport. India, except for Sehwag, rarely takes advantage of those periods.

Why? is security more important than advancing your path to victory? In fact playing safe has proven to be false security and it is a losing strategy.

by confuzzled dude Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:07 am

We are what we are, I don't know those 20 runs would have made much difference in the grand scheme of things, again at that point our first goal was to avoid follow-on.

by confuzzled dude Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:29 am

Declare man, give your bowlers enough time to bowl the opposition out.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Jul 24, 2011 12:22 pm

truthbetold wrote:On day 3, Dravid and Dhoni have 20 overs to new ball. Jonathan Trott is bowling allowing his regular pace trio to rest for new ball. India needs about 80 runs to avoid fallow on.

Why? is security more important than advancing your path to victory? In fact playing safe has proven to be false security and it is a losing strategy.

it is all about chances. Not at all easy to win against a home team with a pace battery and swinging conditions against a score of 475. So the best aim is to draw. A win is possible only if something unforeseen happens - like England collapsing in the 2nd inning for 100 runs. Not happening and did not happen.

Dravid opening with Abhinav is a good move. a right - left combo with Dravid as a guide is a good move.

by confuzzled dude Sun Jul 24, 2011 12:31 pm

[quote="Marathadi-Saamiyaar"]

truthbetold wrote:

Dravid opening with Abhinav is a good move. a right - left combo with Dravid as a guide is a good move.

They don't have a choice with Gambhir out to get x-ray taken for the hit he has taken fielding at FS.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Jul 24, 2011 12:38 pm

[quote="confuzzled dude"]

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
truthbetold wrote:

Dravid opening with Abhinav is a good move. a right - left combo with Dravid as a guide is a good move.

They don't have a choice with Gambhir out to get x-ray taken for the hit he has taken fielding at FS.

Oh.. I missed that.. started watchnig only after Tea.

Even if Gambhir was not injured, I would have sent in Dravid with mukund for the right-left- combo.

by confuzzled dude Sun Jul 24, 2011 12:46 pm

Damn! What happened there

by confuzzled dude Sun Jul 24, 2011 12:48 pm

Abhinav Mukund's lack of foot work is being exposed at this level.

by nevada Sun Jul 24, 2011 12:50 pm

There goes the first wicket! Abhinav Mukund didn't look too secure out there and his dismissal is no surprise.
Yesterday I found Dhobi's over defensiveness annoying and purposeless. Would it have hurt him to step up the scoring rate against spin and the part time bowling of Trott?

by nevada Sun Jul 24, 2011 12:54 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:Abhinav Mukund's lack of foot work is being exposed at this level.

Yeah, sad to see him repeat the same mistake in the second innings.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Jul 24, 2011 12:56 pm

Well...only the usual and the expected.

Not sure if these 2 will survive the day - the way England is bowling.

by truthbetold Sun Jul 24, 2011 1:04 pm

While there are no certainties in life, it can be safely said to be england's victory if one of Dravid and Laxman is out any time before tomorrow's tea.
Thequestion now is not whether England wins the test or not, How long will these two stay together to make england toil a little bit harder to get their prize. Other than weather, a draw is a near impossibility. Let us hope these two play session by session and keep england frustrated.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Jul 24, 2011 2:07 pm

dravid and laxman looking solid. i agree both of them have to play really long knocks for us to have a semblance of a chance of saving it.

not sure what the reports on gambhir and sachin are. i expect nothing from raina.

in the next match if gambhir is not match fit, yuvraj is probably going to be playing much as i hate the idea. i'd like to see harbhajan dumped for mishra. mishra can't be any worse and may actually be better. so he'd be a good pick.

by truthbetold Sun Jul 24, 2011 2:15 pm

I am not sure if Zaheer can be really match fit by Friday. India should seek replacements for Gambhir, Zaheer, and harbhajan. I even doubt Sehwag could be really match fit even for 3rd or fourth test. So they request a 2 batsmen and two bowler replacement squad.

Some people questioned Indian victory over WI because it did not have Gayle or someone else got injured. If England wins would any one think less of their victory because few Indians got injured. Test cricket is won or lost with available talent. India needs to find injury free squad. And India should consider changes to their intense schedule.

by confuzzled dude Sun Jul 24, 2011 8:06 pm

truthbetold wrote:I am not sure if Zaheer can be really match fit by Friday. India should seek replacements for Gambhir, Zaheer, and harbhajan.

I would play safe and sit out Zaheer for 2nd test, first of all recovery time for hamstring (even for grade 1) is more than a few days. Gambhir would be fit enough to play 2nd test and we definitely need him. Harbhajan will play all the tests barring an injury.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Jul 24, 2011 8:08 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
Harbhajan will play all the tests barring an injury.

which is a crying shame.

by confuzzled dude Sun Jul 24, 2011 8:21 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Harbhajan will play all the tests barring an injury.

which is a crying shame.

He will pick a 5-fer in one of the tests to justify his place. He was horrendous today, couldn't ably support Ishant from the other end. They should give Amit Mishra a chance, he may a spring a surprise.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Jul 24, 2011 8:35 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Harbhajan will play all the tests barring an injury.

which is a crying shame.

They should give Amit Mishra a chance, he may a spring a surprise.

Very likely. The English are known to be weak against leg spinners. Definitely he can't be worse than laughbajan.

Is Ashwin in the team ? or was he sent back to India ?

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