Debate begins on Uniform Civil Code

by Guest Sun Jun 01, 2014 1:20 pm

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/katju-kicks-off-debate-says-muslims-should-support-uniform-civil-code/475904-37-64.html

by confuzzled dude Sun Jun 01, 2014 2:01 pm

I agree with author's premise that muslim personal law is archaic. However, simply demanding them to support UCC may not be the right approach; One needs to come up with a strategy that would make them feel secure and not alienated thereby makes them voluntarily support to UCC.

by truthbetold Sun Jun 01, 2014 2:19 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:I agree with author's premise that muslim personal law is archaic. However, simply demanding them to support UCC may not be the right approach; One needs to come up with a strategy that would make them feel secure and not alienated thereby makes them voluntarily support to UCC.

Why come up with a strategy to make them feel secure? Why not have them come with changes they want and incorporate into the overall law.

On another note, why is this joker (Katju) still around?

by confuzzled dude Sun Jun 01, 2014 2:21 pm

truthbetold wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:I agree with author's premise that muslim personal law is archaic. However, simply demanding them to support UCC may not be the right approach; One needs to come up with a strategy that would make them feel secure and not alienated thereby makes them voluntarily support to UCC.
Why come up with a strategy to make them feel secure? Why not have them come with changes they want and incorporate into the overall law.

On another note, why is this joker (Katju) still around?

bcz muslims feel like they're 2nd class citizens of India; thanks to BJP's saffron politics.

by Guest Sun Jun 01, 2014 2:23 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
truthbetold wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:I agree with author's premise that muslim personal law is archaic. However, simply demanding them to support UCC may not be the right approach; One needs to come up with a strategy that would make them feel secure and not alienated thereby makes them voluntarily support to UCC.
Why come up with a strategy to make them feel secure? Why not have them come with changes they want and incorporate into the overall law.

On another note, why is this joker (Katju) still around?
bcz muslims feel like they're 2nd class citizens of India; thanks to BJP's saffron politics.

Congress leader Rashid Alvi says he is not prepared to have even a discussion/debate on this issue ( of Uniform Civil Code):

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Jun 01, 2014 2:33 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
truthbetold wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:I agree with author's premise that muslim personal law is archaic. However, simply demanding them to support UCC may not be the right approach; One needs to come up with a strategy that would make them feel secure and not alienated thereby makes them voluntarily support to UCC.
Why come up with a strategy to make them feel secure? Why not have them come with changes they want and incorporate into the overall law.

On another note, why is this joker (Katju) still around?
bcz muslims feel like they're 2nd class citizens of India; thanks to BJP's saffron politics.

Can you tell me a country where the muslim "minority" has NOT felt like 2nd class muslims? US, UK, Germany, France ???

And here is a bonus question:

tell me a majority muslim country that makes its minorities NOT feel like second class citizens? Egypt, Malaysia, Pakistan, Saudi, Indonesia, Iran????

Muslims shuld stop whining and make themselves good enough to command respect as equal citizens. They stop congregating in their neighborhood and treat them as their own special enclaves, stop preventing their men and women from converting to other religions in case of marriage, and stop threatening people who convert to other religions, ....and so on and so forth ...a million suggestions... thats how bad they have cornered themselves into.

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Sun Jun 01, 2014 2:34 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
truthbetold wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:I agree with author's premise that muslim personal law is archaic. However, simply demanding them to support UCC may not be the right approach; One needs to come up with a strategy that would make them feel secure and not alienated thereby makes them voluntarily support to UCC.
Why come up with a strategy to make them feel secure? Why not have them come with changes they want and incorporate into the overall law.

On another note, why is this joker (Katju) still around?
bcz muslims feel like they're 2nd class citizens of India; thanks to BJP's saffron politics.

Out of the 67 years since independence, for how many years did BJP rule the country?

During 1526 - 1857, and 1858-1947, (i.e., for over 400 years) who ruled India?

People of Telangana blame Andhrawalen for their backwardness. How was Telangana until 1956? Nizam in his grave is ROFLHAO.

Remove your colored glasses and smell some ammonium carbonate.

by Guest Sun Jun 01, 2014 2:39 pm

This is an excellent primer on the need for a uniform civil code in the country:

by confuzzled dude Sun Jun 01, 2014 5:18 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

Can you tell me a country where the muslim "minority" has NOT felt like 2nd class muslims? US, UK, Germany, France ???

And here is a bonus question:

tell me a majority muslim country that makes its minorities NOT feel like second class citizens? Egypt, Malaysia, Pakistan, Saudi, Indonesia, Iran????

Muslims shuld stop whining and make themselves good enough to command respect as equal citizens. They stop congregating in their neighborhood and treat them as their own special enclaves, stop preventing their men and women from converting to other religions in case of marriage, and stop threatening people who convert to other religions, ....and so on and so forth ...a million suggestions... thats how bad they have cornered themselves into.

You're getting sidetracked. Discussion is about having UCC in India.

by rawemotions Sun Jun 01, 2014 5:29 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
truthbetold wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:I agree with author's premise that muslim personal law is archaic. However, simply demanding them to support UCC may not be the right approach; One needs to come up with a strategy that would make them feel secure and not alienated thereby makes them voluntarily support to UCC.
Why come up with a strategy to make them feel secure? Why not have them come with changes they want and incorporate into the overall law.

On another note, why is this joker (Katju) still around?
bcz muslims feel like they're 2nd class citizens of India; thanks to BJP's saffron politics.

This should be the biggest joke of the century.

a) They have laws which allows their men to marry 4 women when none of the other religions are
allowed the same benefit
b) Many of the Muslim communities are allowed reservations among OBC's
c) Their so-called leader can shout in national television that he can kill the
rest of the 75 Crore Hindus.
d) One of the candidates who belongs to the Muslim community can openly threaten
to eliminate the opposition prime ministerial candidate
e) They have laws in many states which gives them exclusive benefits that are NOT given to any
other religious community (EVEN though it is against the constitution)
f) Their laws do not provide gender equality to women and are not favorable and any reform
on those laws are not allowed in the name of identity politics
g) They are now asking for segregated police, segregated land mass and nationwide reservation
irrespective of economic criteria, that is not given to any other religion
h) They are allowed to use Charities and aggressively preach and convert Non-muslims, including
organized conversions and indulge in Love Jihad.
If you call these as feeling like 2nd class citizens, then what is being first class citizens ?
being like Aurangzeb and levy Jizya tax on Hindus / Sikhs and Parsis ?

by confuzzled dude Sun Jun 01, 2014 5:35 pm

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:
Out of the 67 years since independence, for how many years did BJP rule the country?

Thank goodness. which is why India is still seen as a secular nation

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:
During 1526 - 1857, and 1858-1947, (i.e., for over 400 years) who ruled India?

How is that relevant to current situation. Muslims have been through quite a bit during partition & since independence. Hindu leaders only looked after the people belonged to their own religion with caste based reservations etc., nobody cared about the welfare of the muslims, especially the poor ones (who unfortunately are the majority).

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Jun 01, 2014 6:50 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
truthbetold wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:I agree with author's premise that muslim personal law is archaic. However, simply demanding them to support UCC may not be the right approach; One needs to come up with a strategy that would make them feel secure and not alienated thereby makes them voluntarily support to UCC.
Why come up with a strategy to make them feel secure? Why not have them come with changes they want and incorporate into the overall law.

On another note, why is this joker (Katju) still around?
bcz muslims feel like they're 2nd class citizens of India; thanks to BJP's saffron politics.

Ok...I will write to Modi ji to sanction free Psychiatric care to muslims to treat their fear psychosis and bipolar D/O....ooops to the Indian muslims.

by Seva Lamberdar Mon Jun 02, 2014 8:43 am

confuzzled dude wrote:I agree with author's premise that muslim personal law is archaic. However, simply demanding them to support UCC may not be the right approach; One needs to come up with a strategy that would make them feel secure and not alienated thereby makes them voluntarily support to UCC.

There is no need to develop a special strategy in this regard to make anyone feel secure, because the UCC as one (or same) law for everyone (thus ensuring everyone's legal rights equally in the country, irrespective of region, religion, race, caste and gender) already signifies that premise (feeling of security and empowerment for everyone equally).

by smArtha Mon Jun 02, 2014 9:04 am

confuzzled dude wrote:bcz muslims feel like they're 2nd class citizens of India; thanks to BJP's saffron politics.

You mean 60+ years of 'secular' congress rule and its muslim empowerment (read appeasement) still left them second grade? Either the rulers failed to deliver or the subjects refused to grow or both. What has BJP got to do with this?

by confuzzled dude Mon Jun 02, 2014 11:40 am

Seva Lamberdar wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:I agree with author's premise that muslim personal law is archaic. However, simply demanding them to support UCC may not be the right approach; One needs to come up with a strategy that would make them feel secure and not alienated thereby makes them voluntarily support to UCC.

There is no need to develop a special strategy in this regard to make anyone feel secure, because the UCC as one (or same) law for everyone (thus ensuring everyone's legal rights equally in the country, irrespective of region, religion, race, caste and gender) already signifies that premise (feeling of security and empowerment for everyone equally).

So India elected Modi to act like a mullah, enact laws without national debate and consensus and foster mullahcracy.

by smArtha Mon Jun 02, 2014 11:47 am

confuzzled dude wrote:

There is no need to develop a special strategy in this regard to make anyone feel secure, because the UCC as one (or same) law for everyone (thus ensuring everyone's legal rights equally in the country, irrespective of region, religion, race, caste and gender) already signifies that premise (feeling of security and empowerment for everyone equally).
So India elected Modi to act like a mullah, enact laws without national debate and consensus and foster mullahcracy.

Is there a Muslim personal law in US or is it a first rate Mullahcracy too?

by confuzzled dude Mon Jun 02, 2014 11:50 am

smArtha wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:

There is no need to develop a special strategy in this regard to make anyone feel secure, because the UCC as one (or same) law for everyone (thus ensuring everyone's legal rights equally in the country, irrespective of region, religion, race, caste and gender) already signifies that premise (feeling of security and empowerment for everyone equally).
So India elected Modi to act like a mullah, enact laws without national debate and consensus and foster mullahcracy.

Is there a Muslim personal law in US or is it a first rate Mullahcracy too?

Apples & Oranges, Muslims made India their home loong before the US land mass was discovered

by Seva Lamberdar Mon Jun 02, 2014 1:25 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:I agree with author's premise that muslim personal law is archaic. However, simply demanding them to support UCC may not be the right approach; One needs to come up with a strategy that would make them feel secure and not alienated thereby makes them voluntarily support to UCC.

There is no need to develop a special strategy in this regard to make anyone feel secure, because the UCC as one (or same) law for everyone (thus ensuring everyone's legal rights equally in the country, irrespective of region, religion, race, caste and gender) already signifies that premise (feeling of security and empowerment for everyone equally).
So India elected Modi to act like a mullah, enact laws without national debate and consensus and foster mullahcracy.

Forget about Modi or the national debate or building consensus in this case. Do you think a national debate would be necessary if people had to switch from the wiping stone to using tissue paper or water to clean arses after defecating?

by Rishi Mon Jun 02, 2014 2:06 pm

Seva Lamberdar wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:I agree with author's premise that muslim personal law is archaic. However, simply demanding them to support UCC may not be the right approach; One needs to come up with a strategy that would make them feel secure and not alienated thereby makes them voluntarily support to UCC.

There is no need to develop a special strategy in this regard to make anyone feel secure, because the UCC as one (or same) law for everyone (thus ensuring everyone's legal rights equally in the country, irrespective of region, religion, race, caste and gender) already signifies that premise (feeling of security and empowerment for everyone equally).
So India elected Modi to act like a mullah, enact laws without national debate and consensus and foster mullahcracy.
Forget about Modi or the national debate or building consensus in this case. Do you think a national debate would be necessary if people had to switch from the wiping stone. to using tissue paper or water to clean arses after defecating?

>>>It is odd number of stones.

Here are the rules.

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur%27an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Toilet_Etiquette

by Rishi Mon Jun 02, 2014 2:10 pm

Do not clean yourself with less than three stones
Salman said that (one among) the polytheists remarked: I see that your friend even teaches you about the excrement. He replied; Yes, he has in fact forbidden us that anyone amongst us should cleanse himself with his right hand, or face the Qibla. He has forbidden the use of dung or bone for it, and he has also instructed us not to use less than three pebbles (for this purpose).
Sahih Muslim 2:505
Narrated Salman al-Farsi: It was said to Salman: Your Prophet teaches you everything, even about excrement. He replied: Yes. He has forbidden us to face the qiblah at the time of easing or urinating, and cleansing with right hand, and cleansing with less than three stones, or cleansing with dung or bone.

by smArtha Mon Jun 02, 2014 2:39 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
smArtha wrote:Is there a Muslim personal law in US or is it a first rate Mullahcracy too?
Apples & Oranges, Muslims made India their home loong before the US land mass was discovered

Hindus made Singapore their home way before Muslims landed in India. Do the Hindus in Singapore have a Hindu Civil Law? How about France - Muslims were there for more than a millenium now?

by Guest Tue Jun 03, 2014 5:19 pm

http://muslimmirror.com/eng/muslim-leaders-distraught-over-katjus-comment-on-uniform-civil-code/

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At least these guys are thinking and re-thinking this issue.

by Seva Lamberdar Wed Jun 04, 2014 8:56 am

Rashmun wrote:http://muslimmirror.com/eng/muslim-leaders-distraught-over-katjus-comment-on-uniform-civil-code/

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At least these guys are thinking and re-thinking this issue.

Because they probably don't want to be left behind others and merely used by politicians as a vote-bank.

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