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russian for
dry - sukhoy
fire - ogon
dry - sukhoy
fire - ogon
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Hmm.....
Looks like English, Russian, German, Greek, etc., are like Hindi - they all seem to twist and murder the Sanskrit language.
So, the Russians, Germans, English, Greeks, etc., are like Pandas. If you don't see them when they recite, you think that dogs are howling.
Hope Rashmun is reading!
Looks like English, Russian, German, Greek, etc., are like Hindi - they all seem to twist and murder the Sanskrit language.
So, the Russians, Germans, English, Greeks, etc., are like Pandas. If you don't see them when they recite, you think that dogs are howling.
Hope Rashmun is reading!
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Kinnera wrote:http://borissoff.wordpress.com/2012/11/12/english-sanskrit-similar-words/
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i was right about the origins of vEshti and its connection to vest.
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Kinnera wrote:http://borissoff.wordpress.com/2012/11/12/english-sanskrit-similar-words/
It's a small world and we are all connected. Isn't that awesome!
true, but we are also diverse. the presence so many different languages in a space as small as southern india, of an origin different from sanskrit is mind blowing too.
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MaxEntropy_Man wrote:Kinnera wrote:http://borissoff.wordpress.com/2012/11/12/english-sanskrit-similar-words/
It's a small world and we are all connected. Isn't that awesome!
true, but we are also diverse. the presence so many different languages in a space as small as southern india, of an origin different from sanskrit is mind blowing too.
what is also mind blowing is how much these southern indian languages have been sanskritised. 60% words in classical telugu, kannada, and malayalam are of sanskrit origin and the figure is 30-40% in tamil.
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Rashmun wrote:MaxEntropy_Man wrote:Kinnera wrote:http://borissoff.wordpress.com/2012/11/12/english-sanskrit-similar-words/
It's a small world and we are all connected. Isn't that awesome!
true, but we are also diverse. the presence so many different languages in a space as small as southern india, of an origin different from sanskrit is mind blowing too.
what is also mind blowing is how much these southern indian languages have been sanskritised. 60% words in classical telugu, kannada, and malayalam are of sanskrit origin and the figure is 30-40% in tamil.
rashmun -- this is a courtesy post to inform you that because of your well known agenda leading to no new knowledge for me in any discussion, and only irritation at your repeating well known things only because it makes you feel better, i have decided to add you to my ignore list (in fact currently you are the only one on the list). it pains me to do this, but i feel i have no choice. i may periodically unlock the ignore to see if you have changed your ways.
if and when i get prof. R's permission to post what he has said verbatim, i will go back to the TS & YB thread and post it there. if not, i will post a more complete paraphrased version of what he said. i wish you good luck in finding whatever it is you are searching for.
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MaxEntropy_Man wrote:Kinnera wrote:http://borissoff.wordpress.com/2012/11/12/english-sanskrit-similar-words/
It's a small world and we are all connected. Isn't that awesome!
i was right about the origins of vEshti and its connection to vest.
How about "inji" and "manga" . I noticed how they resemble the english words during the discussions on the Nellikkai thread.
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b_A wrote:MaxEntropy_Man wrote:Kinnera wrote:http://borissoff.wordpress.com/2012/11/12/english-sanskrit-similar-words/
It's a small world and we are all connected. Isn't that awesome!
i was right about the origins of vEshti and its connection to vest.
How about "inji" and "manga" . I noticed how they resemble the english words during the discussions on the Nellikkai thread.
manga could be from some dravidian language. wiki says from malayalam. same word in tamil. the etymology of inji is not clear. many langauges have similar sounding words.
here is a nice textual analysis by PIE researchers of the rig vedic text. may not completely agree with hindu scriptural interpretation:
http://www.utexas.edu/cola/centers/lrc/eieol/vedol-0-X.html
i found out that naktam in sanskrit means of the night. another common word with many european langauges, german - nacht and english - night.
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There are many other mind blowing things about India. The country the size of Texas has 22 official languages. There are many other languages apart from that too. In spite of such diversity, people feel connected. There is something unifying about them all. Totally mind blowing!MaxEntropy_Man wrote:Kinnera wrote:http://borissoff.wordpress.com/2012/11/12/english-sanskrit-similar-words/
It's a small world and we are all connected. Isn't that awesome!
true, but we are also diverse. the presence so many different languages in a space as small as southern india, of an origin different from sanskrit is mind blowing too.
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Rashmun wrote:MaxEntropy_Man wrote:Kinnera wrote:http://borissoff.wordpress.com/2012/11/12/english-sanskrit-similar-words/
It's a small world and we are all connected. Isn't that awesome!
true, but we are also diverse. the presence so many different languages in a space as small as southern india, of an origin different from sanskrit is mind blowing too.
what is also mind blowing is how much these southern indian languages have been sanskritised. 60% words in classical telugu, kannada, and malayalam are of sanskrit origin and the figure is 30-40% in tamil.
Konkani is a language spoken in Goa, coastal Karnataka and parts of Kerala. This Konkani language is not a Dravidian language; rather it is an Indo-Aryan language. I wonder if there are more Indo-Aryan languages other than Konkani to be found in South India as native languages.
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Kinnera wrote:There are many other mind blowing things about India. The country the size of Texas has 22 official languages. There are many other languages apart from that too. In spite of such diversity, people feel connected. There is something unifying about them all. Totally mind blowing!MaxEntropy_Man wrote:Kinnera wrote:http://borissoff.wordpress.com/2012/11/12/english-sanskrit-similar-words/
It's a small world and we are all connected. Isn't that awesome!
true, but we are also diverse. the presence so many different languages in a space as small as southern india, of an origin different from sanskrit is mind blowing too.
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prauḍha in sanskrit means proud, really! I thought it means matured or something about age (like middle aged)Kinnera wrote:http://borissoff.wordpress.com/2012/11/12/english-sanskrit-similar-words/
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Does it mean that? really? AFAIK, praudha in Sanskrit, Telugu and Hindi (maybe in other languages too) means mature/middle aged.confuzzled dude wrote:prauḍha in sanskrit means proud, really! I thought it means matured or something about age (like middle aged)Kinnera wrote:http://borissoff.wordpress.com/2012/11/12/english-sanskrit-similar-words/
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22 official languages in a country (apart from many other languages and dialects). Does any other country in the world have that? You got the gist.confuzzled dude wrote:Kinnera wrote:There are many other mind blowing things about India. The country the size of Texas has 22 official languages. There are many other languages apart from that too. In spite of such diversity, people feel connected. There is something unifying about them all. Totally mind blowing!MaxEntropy_Man wrote:Kinnera wrote:http://borissoff.wordpress.com/2012/11/12/english-sanskrit-similar-words/
It's a small world and we are all connected. Isn't that awesome!
true, but we are also diverse. the presence so many different languages in a space as small as southern india, of an origin different from sanskrit is mind blowing too.
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MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
if and when i get prof. R's permission to post what he has said verbatim, i will go back to the TS & YB thread and post it there. if not, i will post a more complete paraphrased version of what he said. i wish you good luck in finding whatever it is you are searching for.
Oh...he will apologize to you in a private note....and even there there will be a cut/paste blabbering from somewhere.
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http://mapfight.appspot.com/in-vs-texas/india-texas-us-size-comparisonKinnera wrote:22 official languages in a country (apart from many other languages and dialects). Does any other country in the world have that? You got the gist.confuzzled dude wrote:Kinnera wrote:There are many other mind blowing things about India. The country the size of Texas has 22 official languages. There are many other languages apart from that too. In spite of such diversity, people feel connected. There is something unifying about them all. Totally mind blowing!MaxEntropy_Man wrote:Kinnera wrote:http://borissoff.wordpress.com/2012/11/12/english-sanskrit-similar-words/
It's a small world and we are all connected. Isn't that awesome!
true, but we are also diverse. the presence so many different languages in a space as small as southern india, of an origin different from sanskrit is mind blowing too.
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Got it. i was wrong. Now focus on the # of languages in India and how mind boggling it is. Contemplate on the unifying factor.confuzzled dude wrote:http://mapfight.appspot.com/in-vs-texas/india-texas-us-size-comparisonKinnera wrote:22 official languages in a country (apart from many other languages and dialects). Does any other country in the world have that? You got the gist.confuzzled dude wrote:Kinnera wrote:There are many other mind blowing things about India. The country the size of Texas has 22 official languages. There are many other languages apart from that too. In spite of such diversity, people feel connected. There is something unifying about them all. Totally mind blowing!MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
true, but we are also diverse. the presence so many different languages in a space as small as southern india, of an origin different from sanskrit is mind blowing too.
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Max,
Thanks for posting these links. I suspected such a link but did not do ant follow up. This discussion gives me some openings.
Thanks for posting these links. I suspected such a link but did not do ant follow up. This discussion gives me some openings.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuanian_language
Lithuanian retains cognates to many words found in classical languages, such as Sanskrit and Latin. These words are descended from Proto-Indo-European. A few examples are the following:
Lith. and Skt. sūnus (son)
Lith. and Skt. avis and Lat. ovis (sheep)
Lith. dūmas and Skt. dhūmas and Lat. fumus (fumes, smoke)
Lith. antras and Skt. antaras (second, the other)
Lith. vilkas and Skt. vṛkas (wolf)
Lith. ratas and Lat. rota (wheel) and Skt. rathas (carriage).
Lith. senis and Lat. senex (an old man) and Skt. sanas (old).
Lith. vyras and Lat. vir (a man) and Skt. vīras (man).
Lith. angis and Lat. anguis (a snake in Latin, a species of snakes in Lithuanian)
Lith. linas and Lat. linum (flax, compare with English 'linen')
Lith. ariu and Lat. aro (I plow)
Lith. jungiu and Lat. iungo (I join)
Lith. gentys and Lat. gentes (tribes) and Skt. jánas[clarification needed] (genus, race).
Lith. mėnesis and Lat. mensis and Skt masa (month)
Lith. dantis and Lat. dentes and Skt dantas (teeth)
Lith. naktis and Lat. noctes and Skt. naktis (night)
Lith. ugnis and Lat. ignis and Skt. agni (fire)
Lith. sėdime and Lat. sedemus (we sit) and Skt. sīdati (sits down).
Lithuanian retains cognates to many words found in classical languages, such as Sanskrit and Latin. These words are descended from Proto-Indo-European. A few examples are the following:
Lith. and Skt. sūnus (son)
Lith. and Skt. avis and Lat. ovis (sheep)
Lith. dūmas and Skt. dhūmas and Lat. fumus (fumes, smoke)
Lith. antras and Skt. antaras (second, the other)
Lith. vilkas and Skt. vṛkas (wolf)
Lith. ratas and Lat. rota (wheel) and Skt. rathas (carriage).
Lith. senis and Lat. senex (an old man) and Skt. sanas (old).
Lith. vyras and Lat. vir (a man) and Skt. vīras (man).
Lith. angis and Lat. anguis (a snake in Latin, a species of snakes in Lithuanian)
Lith. linas and Lat. linum (flax, compare with English 'linen')
Lith. ariu and Lat. aro (I plow)
Lith. jungiu and Lat. iungo (I join)
Lith. gentys and Lat. gentes (tribes) and Skt. jánas[clarification needed] (genus, race).
Lith. mėnesis and Lat. mensis and Skt masa (month)
Lith. dantis and Lat. dentes and Skt dantas (teeth)
Lith. naktis and Lat. noctes and Skt. naktis (night)
Lith. ugnis and Lat. ignis and Skt. agni (fire)
Lith. sėdime and Lat. sedemus (we sit) and Skt. sīdati (sits down).
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one reason for starting this thread was instigated by how some people at sulekha and over here obsess about sanskrit and how it has permeated indian languages. while that is true, my purpose here is to show that sanskrit did not come from a vacuum, i.e. it is not svayambu like some lord shiva; it is related to a larger group of languages and has plenty of direct relatives elsewhere outside the subcontinent.
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and here is an extensive dictionary of PIE roots and how they transformed in various languages.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_vocabulary
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_vocabulary
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hello sir! I am happy that I have inspired you to take up studying sanskrit, though it may be with an agenda of the DMK types: an effort to paint Sanskrit as an alien language and try to squash the affinity that south indians have for it. Then slowly push forth the supremacy of Tamil. This dmk agenda won't work, sorry!MaxEntropy_Man wrote:one reason for starting this thread was instigated by how some people at sulekha and over here obsess about sanskrit and how it has permeated indian languages. while that is true, my purpose here is to show that sanskrit did not come from a vacuum, i.e. it is not svayambu like some lord shiva; it is related to a larger group of languages and has plenty of direct relatives elsewhere outside the subcontinent.
I am most happy if Sanskrit has its presence in other languages and geographical areas. That's the greatness of a wonderful language. But Sanskrit, though it may have originated outside of India thousands of years ago, has been and will always be considered a language indigenous to India. You can't separate it from any other indian language, including south indian languages. It's mind blowing how one language gave birth to so many other languages and has influenced and made inroads into many other languages (i know i know, an effort is being made by the ppl with an agenda on how tamil influenced Sanskrit and how the common words in both the languages were actually tamil in origin and not the other way around. Good luck with that!)
Don't be so obsessed about alienating yourself (the tamil language) from Sanskrit and denying it. You seem like the Pakistanis. They are obsessed about how they are 'not indian' in any way. They ended up not having an identity. Their identity remained as *non-indian* identity.
I have nothing more to add to this thread. You carry on with your effort . Sanskrit is a beautiful language. I hope you'll gain something positive out of it while learning it. Good luck!
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Kinnera wrote:hello sir! I am happy that I have inspired you to take up studying sanskrit, though it may be with an agenda of the DMK types: an effort to paint Sanskrit as an alien language and try to squash the affinity that south indians have for it. Then slowly push forth the supremacy of Tamil. This dmk agenda won't work, sorry!MaxEntropy_Man wrote:one reason for starting this thread was instigated by how some people at sulekha and over here obsess about sanskrit and how it has permeated indian languages. while that is true, my purpose here is to show that sanskrit did not come from a vacuum, i.e. it is not svayambu like some lord shiva; it is related to a larger group of languages and has plenty of direct relatives elsewhere outside the subcontinent.
I am most happy if Sanskrit has its presence in other languages and geographical areas. That's the greatness of a wonderful language. But Sanskrit, though it may have originated outside of India thousands of years ago, has been and will always be considered a language indigenous to India. You can't separate it from any other indian language, including south indian languages. It's mind blowing how one language gave birth to so many other languages and has influenced and made inroads into many other languages (i know i know, an effort is being made by the ppl with an agenda on how tamil influenced Sanskrit and how the common words in both the languages were actually tamil in origin and not the other way around. Good luck with that!)
Don't be so obsessed about alienating yourself (the tamil language) from Sanskrit and denying it. You seem like the Pakistanis. They are obsessed about how they are 'not indian' in any way. They ended up not having an identity. Their identity remained as *non-indian* identity.
I have nothing more to add to this thread. You carry on with your effort . Sanskrit is a beautiful language. I hope you'll gain something positive out of it while learning it. Good luck!
kinnera, you seem like the one with some kind of agenda (see the bolded part of my original post). i have no hatred for sanskrit. how can i hate a language in which mutthuswamy dikshitar composed so many beautiful krithis? i have very little in common with the DK movement except for the love of my own native language which i share with them. they had no affinity towards carnatic music, the kamba ramayanam which was wholly derived from a sanskritic text and so on. so i think we can dispense with that narrative.
here is a book of interest:
http://www.amazon.com/The-Quest-Origins-Vedic-Culture/dp/0195169476
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Rashmun wrote:MaxEntropy_Man wrote:Kinnera wrote:http://borissoff.wordpress.com/2012/11/12/english-sanskrit-similar-words/
It's a small world and we are all connected. Isn't that awesome!
true, but we are also diverse. the presence so many different languages in a space as small as southern india, of an origin different from sanskrit is mind blowing too.
what is also mind blowing is how much these southern indian languages have been sanskritised. 60% words in classical telugu, kannada, and malayalam are of sanskrit origin and the figure is 30-40% in tamil.
>>>With Telugu and Malayalam there were substantial borrowings from Sanskrit. Someone like Indo could probably shed more light on this. In Tamil, there is a section of the vocabulary referred to as 'vadamozhi' which means 'of the north' which would indicate that these were borrowed terms. Aside from that, the connection with the Indo-European languages definitely lends credence to the idea of some ancient tribe migrating in multiple directions and was powerful enough to put its linguistic stamp over a vast expanse of Asia and Europe. The Lithuanian connection rings a bell too. Years ago I went to an interview and the interviewer had a somewhat Indian-sounding last name. When we got done with the interview, I mentioned this to her thinking she may be married to an Indian or something. She then said 'No, its Lithuanian, but that is close to Sanskrit' . That is the first time I heard that.
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oh incidentally, as for the influence of dravidian languages on sanskrit, referred to in academic circles as dravidian substratrum in sanskrit, the leading scholar in that area is the respected telugu linguist, the late bhadriraju krishnamurti.
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Kris wrote:
>>>With Telugu and Malayalam there were substantial borrowings from Sanskrit. Someone like Indo could probably shed more light on this. In Tamil, there is a section of the vocabulary referred to as 'vadamozhi' which means 'of the north' which would indicate that these were borrowed terms. Aside from that, the connection with the Indo-European languages definitely lends credence to the idea of some ancient tribe migrating in multiple directions and was powerful enough to put its linguistic stamp over a vast expanse of Asia and Europe. The Lithuanian connection rings a bell too. Years ago I went to an interview and the interviewer had a somewhat Indian-sounding last name. When we got done with the interview, I mentioned this to her thinking she may be married to an Indian or something. She then said 'No, its Lithuanian, but that is close to Sanskrit' . That is the first time I heard that.
what triggered this movement to 'cleanse' tamil?
i noticed that romani also has a lot of familiar words like 'manush' etc. (source: kusturica's movies)
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bw wrote:Kris wrote:
>>>With Telugu and Malayalam there were substantial borrowings from Sanskrit. Someone like Indo could probably shed more light on this. In Tamil, there is a section of the vocabulary referred to as 'vadamozhi' which means 'of the north' which would indicate that these were borrowed terms. Aside from that, the connection with the Indo-European languages definitely lends credence to the idea of some ancient tribe migrating in multiple directions and was powerful enough to put its linguistic stamp over a vast expanse of Asia and Europe. The Lithuanian connection rings a bell too. Years ago I went to an interview and the interviewer had a somewhat Indian-sounding last name. When we got done with the interview, I mentioned this to her thinking she may be married to an Indian or something. She then said 'No, its Lithuanian, but that is close to Sanskrit' . That is the first time I heard that.
what triggered this movement to 'cleanse' tamil?
i noticed that romani also has a lot of familiar words like 'manush' etc. (source: kusturica's movies)
two questions:
a) you mean you don't know the history of the DK movement in TN?
b) isn't the romani language also an IE language?
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MaxEntropy_Man wrote:bw wrote:Kris wrote:
>>>With Telugu and Malayalam there were substantial borrowings from Sanskrit. Someone like Indo could probably shed more light on this. In Tamil, there is a section of the vocabulary referred to as 'vadamozhi' which means 'of the north' which would indicate that these were borrowed terms. Aside from that, the connection with the Indo-European languages definitely lends credence to the idea of some ancient tribe migrating in multiple directions and was powerful enough to put its linguistic stamp over a vast expanse of Asia and Europe. The Lithuanian connection rings a bell too. Years ago I went to an interview and the interviewer had a somewhat Indian-sounding last name. When we got done with the interview, I mentioned this to her thinking she may be married to an Indian or something. She then said 'No, its Lithuanian, but that is close to Sanskrit' . That is the first time I heard that.
what triggered this movement to 'cleanse' tamil?
i noticed that romani also has a lot of familiar words like 'manush' etc. (source: kusturica's movies)
two questions:
a) you mean you don't know the history of the DK movement in TN?
b) isn't the romani language also an IE language?
two answers:
a) i know a little bit about anti-hindi agitation(thanks to sulekha) but not the full history of this language cleansing. i suppose i could google. honestly, other than the vague memory of hindi movies on doordarshan being switched to saturday from sunday just in madras, i have no real exposure to this tamil pride thing.
b) i guess so but i noticed the sanskrit words only when i watched these movies. languages, their origin and connections is not really something that has fascinated me (though i do use etymology to decipher english words)
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bw wrote:
two answers:
a) i know a little bit about anti-hindi agitation(thanks to sulekha) but not the full history of this language cleansing. i suppose i could google. honestly, other than the vague memory of hindi movies on doordarshan being switched to saturday from sunday just in madras, i have no real exposure to this tamil pride thing.
I did not know you are THAT old...sorry i have to dump you.
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Re: sanskrit and russian cognates compared to lithuanian, greek, latin, gothic and old german
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:bw wrote:
two answers:
a) i know a little bit about anti-hindi agitation(thanks to sulekha) but not the full history of this language cleansing. i suppose i could google. honestly, other than the vague memory of hindi movies on doordarshan being switched to saturday from sunday just in madras, i have no real exposure to this tamil pride thing.
I did not know you are THAT old...sorry i have to dump you.
this was sometime in the 80s, if i recall right. in any case, i heard about it in the early 80's since that's when i moved to madras.
yes, i am an old mami.
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bw wrote:MaxEntropy_Man wrote:bw wrote:Kris wrote:
>>>With Telugu and Malayalam there were substantial borrowings from Sanskrit. Someone like Indo could probably shed more light on this. In Tamil, there is a section of the vocabulary referred to as 'vadamozhi' which means 'of the north' which would indicate that these were borrowed terms. Aside from that, the connection with the Indo-European languages definitely lends credence to the idea of some ancient tribe migrating in multiple directions and was powerful enough to put its linguistic stamp over a vast expanse of Asia and Europe. The Lithuanian connection rings a bell too. Years ago I went to an interview and the interviewer had a somewhat Indian-sounding last name. When we got done with the interview, I mentioned this to her thinking she may be married to an Indian or something. She then said 'No, its Lithuanian, but that is close to Sanskrit' . That is the first time I heard that.
what triggered this movement to 'cleanse' tamil?
i noticed that romani also has a lot of familiar words like 'manush' etc. (source: kusturica's movies)
two questions:
a) you mean you don't know the history of the DK movement in TN?
b) isn't the romani language also an IE language?
two answers:
a) i know a little bit about anti-hindi agitation(thanks to sulekha) but not the full history of this language cleansing. i suppose i could google. honestly, other than the vague memory of hindi movies on doordarshan being switched to saturday from sunday just in madras, i have no real exposure to this tamil pride thing.
b) i guess so but i noticed the sanskrit words only when i watched these movies. languages, their origin and connections is not really something that has fascinated me (though i do use etymology to decipher english words)
a) The cleansing of the language bit is something I don't understand as an objective (English would essentially vaporize), but the DK politics wasn't necessarily purely on that count. It bundled it with caste politics. The Sanskrit/CBSE brouhaha that is happening now also appeals to this baser instinct among certain pols and their cohorts.
b) I would have expected Romani to have a closer relationship to Sanskrit than European languages, due to the out-migration of the Romani people taking place more recently in historic terms.
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bw wrote:Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:bw wrote:
two answers:
a) i know a little bit about anti-hindi agitation(thanks to sulekha) but not the full history of this language cleansing. i suppose i could google. honestly, other than the vague memory of hindi movies on doordarshan being switched to saturday from sunday just in madras, i have no real exposure to this tamil pride thing.
I did not know you are THAT old...sorry i have to dump you.
this was sometime in the 80s, if i recall right. in any case, i heard about it in the early 80's since that's when i moved to madras.
yes, i am an old mami.
i appreciate your honesty....but still i have to dump you as it is against my "principles" to line maro any woman over 23 1/2.
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Who is Prof R ?MaxEntropy_Man wrote:Rashmun wrote:MaxEntropy_Man wrote:Kinnera wrote:http://borissoff.wordpress.com/2012/11/12/english-sanskrit-similar-words/
It's a small world and we are all connected. Isn't that awesome!
true, but we are also diverse. the presence so many different languages in a space as small as southern india, of an origin different from sanskrit is mind blowing too.
what is also mind blowing is how much these southern indian languages have been sanskritised. 60% words in classical telugu, kannada, and malayalam are of sanskrit origin and the figure is 30-40% in tamil.
rashmun -- this is a courtesy post to inform you that because of your well known agenda leading to no new knowledge for me in any discussion, and only irritation at your repeating well known things only because it makes you feel better, i have decided to add you to my ignore list (in fact currently you are the only one on the list). it pains me to do this, but i feel i have no choice. i may periodically unlock the ignore to see if you have changed your ways.
if and when i get prof. R's permission to post what he has said verbatim, i will go back to the TS & YB thread and post it there. if not, i will post a more complete paraphrased version of what he said. i wish you good luck in finding whatever it is you are searching for.
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Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:bw wrote:Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:bw wrote:
two answers:
a) i know a little bit about anti-hindi agitation(thanks to sulekha) but not the full history of this language cleansing. i suppose i could google. honestly, other than the vague memory of hindi movies on doordarshan being switched to saturday from sunday just in madras, i have no real exposure to this tamil pride thing.
I did not know you are THAT old...sorry i have to dump you.
this was sometime in the 80s, if i recall right. in any case, i heard about it in the early 80's since that's when i moved to madras.
yes, i am an old mami.
i appreciate your honesty....but still i have to dump you as it is against my "principles" to line maro any woman over 23 1/2.
you a cradle snatcher? eww! i am and was always a karaar mami - all this line maro business wouldn't have worked even if i were 23 1/2.
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bw wrote:Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:bw wrote:Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:bw wrote:
two answers:
a) i know a little bit about anti-hindi agitation(thanks to sulekha) but not the full history of this language cleansing. i suppose i could google. honestly, other than the vague memory of hindi movies on doordarshan being switched to saturday from sunday just in madras, i have no real exposure to this tamil pride thing.
I did not know you are THAT old...sorry i have to dump you.
this was sometime in the 80s, if i recall right. in any case, i heard about it in the early 80's since that's when i moved to madras.
yes, i am an old mami.
i appreciate your honesty....but still i have to dump you as it is against my "principles" to line maro any woman over 23 1/2.
you a cradle snatcher? eww! i am and was always a karaar mami - all this line maro business wouldn't have worked even if i were 23 1/2.
>>>He meant 123 1/2. Fading eyesight etc. You know that could open up opportunities on the romance front.
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Kris wrote:bw wrote:Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:bw wrote:Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
I did not know you are THAT old...sorry i have to dump you.
this was sometime in the 80s, if i recall right. in any case, i heard about it in the early 80's since that's when i moved to madras.
yes, i am an old mami.
i appreciate your honesty....but still i have to dump you as it is against my "principles" to line maro any woman over 23 1/2.
you a cradle snatcher? eww! i am and was always a karaar mami - all this line maro business wouldn't have worked even if i were 23 1/2.
>>>He meant 123 1/2. Fading eyesight etc. You know that could open up opportunities on the romance front.
saamiyaar-kku nenappu much.
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rawemotions wrote:
Who is Prof R ?
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