Beware, I’ll Turn Hindu

Dear Shri Mohan Bhagwatji,

Namaskar. After carefully pondering over your call for all Indians to be regarded as Hindus, I’m delighted to inform you that I’ve decided to become a Hindu. The first ‘Hindu Muslim’ in secular India! Or should it be a ‘Muslim Hindu’, sir? Kindly guide me because these days yours is the last word. That Modi fellow you’ve installed as prime minister is more bark than bite. You’re the real deal!

How clever you’re at oversimplifying complex concepts such as cultural nationalism, and what a way you’ve with words and their meaning. Wasn’t it Humpty Dumpty who, shortly before his big fall, boasted that words meant what he intended them to mean, “no more, no less”? Pardon me, sir, I’m not suggesting for a moment that your fall is imminent. Banish the thought. Damn me!

But, Bhagwatji, before you start tru­mpeting my decision as a “vict­ory” for the RSS, I wish to disabuse you of any notion that I’m submitting to its diktat. Far from it. Actu­a­lly, I’m trying to call its bluff. And here’s why. You know as well as I do that the RSS is running a phoney cultural war aimed at keeping the minorities, especially Muslims, in a constant state of terror. The more we squeal, protest and plead in the name of secularism and cultural div­ersity, the more emboldened it gets. But what if we stop squealing, protesting and pleading? And, inst­ead, start pretending to play ball?

For decades, the issue of Muslim identity has provided a fertile ground for the RSS to bash them. But, sir, Muslims have now become smart, don’t be surprised if they call your bluff—get your lot off their back so that they can then get on with their lives? If I were in your position, heading an organisation whose ideological raison d’etre rests on provoking Muslims and then feeding on their fear and anger, I would be a worried man. Because with Muslims now inside the ‘Hindu tent’, whither project Muslim bashing? In a sense, it’s almost “mission accomplished” for the RSS. The enemy tamed and ‘Hindufied’. Time to shut shop and go home.

I know, I know , Bhagwatji, what you’re going to say: that the RSS is continuously engaged in devising new and creative ideas to deal with these cocky Muslims (sorry, Babur ki aulad) and, rest assured, it will soon come up with something else (perhaps even more inflammatory) to keep the pot boiling. You might remind me what pseudo-secularists said when back in 1992 your axe-wielding footsoldiers took the law into their own hands and—giving two hoots to constitutional niceties—demolished the Babri Masjid. They said you had shot yourself in the foot by destroying the mosque because the threat of doing something horrible is always more potent than actually carrying it out. But a decade later you’re still here—stronger, more menacing and, effectively, in power.

Agreed. But I’m sure you’ll agree that with the masjid gone, the Ram temple issue doesn’t have the same old emotive ring for Muslims anymore. In fact, today, not many really care what you do with the left-over “dhaancha”, and it will not be easy to provoke them on this issue again. Bhagwatji, perhaps the Sangh parivar has not noticed. But, finally, Muslims have caught on to the playground bully’s tactics: the more easily you give in to provocation, the more they’ll bully you. So Muslims have learned not to rise to the bait. If you’ve followed their reaction closely, you may have noticed that they have not reacted to your latest move in the way you might have expected. In comparison, the secular Hindu reaction has been sharper.

What I’m trying to impress upon you is that while Muslims have bec­ome street-smarter, so to speak, and picked up new survival tricks, the RSS remains stuck in a time warp. By overplaying its majoritarian card, its bite has lost its sting. In reality, it never had more than nuisance value, but even that is seeping away, with Muslims, wiser by experience, choosing to ignore it. Cru­cially, Muslims have lost their old fear of the RSS as the new generation has a more realistic sense of their place in India and sees such groups as something that comes with the territory when you are in a minority. The Muslim Right, which fed the RSS, has also considerably weakened, leaving less room for it to dress up its attacks as Hindu reaction to Muslim provocations. Watch out, Bhagwatji, the RSS is losing its clout as the Hindu Right’s chief agent provocateur. And before you issue your next edict, kindly remember that Islamophobia doesn’t have the same purchase these days; and if you’re not careful, you may soon find yourself out of business. But, for now, Jai Hindu!

http://www.outlookindia.com/article/Beware-Ill-Turn-Hindu/291886

-> I wish the author was right about weakening of muslim right

..Actually whatever he has said applies to the hindus who were duped into playing this "secular" ball game. The guys who divided and fooled hindus for 50 years cant stand the fact for even 5 months that their game has been busted.

Wait till the UP/Maharashtra and J & K talk in a few months.

confuzzled dude wrote:Dear Shri Mohan Bhagwatji,

Namaskar. After carefully pondering over your call for all Indians to be regarded as Hindus, I’m delighted to inform you that I’ve decided to become a Hindu. The first ‘Hindu Muslim’ in secular India! Or should it be a ‘Muslim Hindu’, sir? Kindly guide me because these days yours is the last word. That Modi fellow you’ve installed as prime minister is more bark than bite. You’re the real deal!

How clever you’re at oversimplifying complex concepts such as cultural nationalism, and what a way you’ve with words and their meaning. Wasn’t it Humpty Dumpty who, shortly before his big fall, boasted that words meant what he intended them to mean, “no more, no less”? Pardon me, sir, I’m not suggesting for a moment that your fall is imminent. Banish the thought. Damn me!

But, Bhagwatji, before you start tru­mpeting my decision as a “vict­ory” for the RSS, I wish to disabuse you of any notion that I’m submitting to its diktat. Far from it. Actu­a­lly, I’m trying to call its bluff. And here’s why. You know as well as I do that the RSS is running a phoney cultural war aimed at keeping the minorities, especially Muslims, in a constant state of terror. The more we squeal, protest and plead in the name of secularism and cultural div­ersity, the more emboldened it gets. But what if we stop squealing, protesting and pleading? And, inst­ead, start pretending to play ball?

For decades, the issue of Muslim identity has provided a fertile ground for the RSS to bash them. But, sir, Muslims have now become smart, don’t be surprised if they call your bluff—get your lot off their back so that they can then get on with their lives? If I were in your position, heading an organisation whose ideological raison d’etre rests on provoking Muslims and then feeding on their fear and anger, I would be a worried man. Because with Muslims now inside the ‘Hindu tent’, whither project Muslim bashing? In a sense, it’s almost “mission accomplished” for the RSS. The enemy tamed and ‘Hindufied’. Time to shut shop and go home.

I know, I know , Bhagwatji, what you’re going to say: that the RSS is continuously engaged in devising new and creative ideas to deal with these cocky Muslims (sorry, Babur ki aulad) and, rest assured, it will soon come up with something else (perhaps even more inflammatory) to keep the pot boiling. You might remind me what pseudo-secularists said when back in 1992 your axe-wielding footsoldiers took the law into their own hands and—giving two hoots to constitutional niceties—demolished the Babri Masjid. They said you had shot yourself in the foot by destroying the mosque because the threat of doing something horrible is always more potent than actually carrying it out. But a decade later you’re still here—stronger, more menacing and, effectively, in power.

Agreed. But I’m sure you’ll agree that with the masjid gone, the Ram temple issue doesn’t have the same old emotive ring for Muslims anymore. In fact, today, not many really care what you do with the left-over “dhaancha”, and it will not be easy to provoke them on this issue again. Bhagwatji, perhaps the Sangh parivar has not noticed. But, finally, Muslims have caught on to the playground bully’s tactics: the more easily you give in to provocation, the more they’ll bully you. So Muslims have learned not to rise to the bait. If you’ve followed their reaction closely, you may have noticed that they have not reacted to your latest move in the way you might have expected. In comparison, the secular Hindu reaction has been sharper.

What I’m trying to impress upon you is that while Muslims have bec­ome street-smarter, so to speak, and picked up new survival tricks, the RSS remains stuck in a time warp. By overplaying its majoritarian card, its bite has lost its sting. In reality, it never had more than nuisance value, but even that is seeping away, with Muslims, wiser by experience, choosing to ignore it. Cru­cially, Muslims have lost their old fear of the RSS as the new generation has a more realistic sense of their place in India and sees such groups as something that comes with the territory when you are in a minority. The Muslim Right, which fed the RSS, has also considerably weakened, leaving less room for it to dress up its attacks as Hindu reaction to Muslim provocations. Watch out, Bhagwatji, the RSS is losing its clout as the Hindu Right’s chief agent provocateur. And before you issue your next edict, kindly remember that Islamophobia doesn’t have the same purchase these days; and if you’re not careful, you may soon find yourself out of business. But, for now, Jai Hindu!

http://www.outlookindia.com/article/Beware-Ill-Turn-Hindu/291886

-> I wish the author was right about weakening of muslim right

Muslim right has weakened! 
This should be a Joke! In one sentence the entire article has become a Hogwash and sounds disingenuous. The last time I checked Deoband/Tableeghi Jamat (who's sole purpose is to convert the entire India to become Muslim) is still around, receiving funds from all and Sundry in the Arab world and Pakistan. AIMPLB has been adding anti-constitutional Sharia courts, which the Supreme court itself  is NOT able to stop, fearing the Islamic Supremacists. Political Islamists go on a mayhem attacking government property, and life and property of Non-muslims in India, for every sundry incident that concerns Muslims anywhere in the world, especially after Friday Prayers (it is a travesty to even call these as prayers). New Organizations are spouting every day in many states, eulogizing Islamic Invaders who committed genocide like Aurangzeb etc.. Let us not even speak of those who are allegedly doing pieceful acts in UP, J&K, Hyderabad, North Kerala and TN, like Killing Hindu activists and forcing women to convert after raping them.

rawemotions wrote:
Muslim right has weakened! 
This should be a Joke! In one sentence the entire article has become a Hogwash and sounds disingenuous. The last time I checked Deoband/Tableeghi Jamat (who's sole purpose is to convert the entire India to become Muslim) is still around, receiving funds from all and Sundry in the Arab world and Pakistan. AIMPLB has been adding anti-constitutional Sharia courts, which the Supreme court itself  is NOT able to stop, fearing the Islamic Supremacists. Political Islamists go on a mayhem attacking government property, and life and property of Non-muslims in India, for every sundry incident that concerns Muslims anywhere in the world, especially after Friday Prayers (it is a travesty to even call these as prayers). New Organizations are spouting every day in many states, eulogizing Islamic Invaders who committed genocide like Aurangzeb etc.. Let us not even speak of those who are allegedly doing pieceful acts in UP, J&K, Hyderabad, North Kerala and TN, like Killing Hindu activists and forcing women to convert after raping them.

Are you sure, you're not talking about chaddis or yourself? your every other post has references to Jizya.

confuzzled dude wrote:

rawemotions wrote:
Muslim right has weakened! 
This should be a Joke! In one sentence the entire article has become a Hogwash and sounds disingenuous. The last time I checked Deoband/Tableeghi Jamat (who's sole purpose is to convert the entire India to become Muslim) is still around, receiving funds from all and Sundry in the Arab world and Pakistan. AIMPLB has been adding anti-constitutional Sharia courts, which the Supreme court itself  is NOT able to stop, fearing the Islamic Supremacists. Political Islamists go on a mayhem attacking government property, and life and property of Non-muslims in India, for every sundry incident that concerns Muslims anywhere in the world, especially after Friday Prayers (it is a travesty to even call these as prayers). New Organizations are spouting every day in many states, eulogizing Islamic Invaders who committed genocide like Aurangzeb etc.. Let us not even speak of those who are allegedly doing pieceful acts in UP, J&K, Hyderabad, North Kerala and TN, like Killing Hindu activists and forcing women to convert after raping them.

Are you sure, you're not talking about chaddis?

No subjugated and fearful minority in any country EVER complains against its Government or worse about the majority (ex..paki, Egypt, Iraq, Indonesia, Iran). If they did, then they are not.

confuzzled dude wrote:

rawemotions wrote:
Muslim right has weakened! 
This should be a Joke! In one sentence the entire article has become a Hogwash and sounds disingenuous. The last time I checked Deoband/Tableeghi Jamat (who's sole purpose is to convert the entire India to become Muslim) is still around, receiving funds from all and Sundry in the Arab world and Pakistan. AIMPLB has been adding anti-constitutional Sharia courts, which the Supreme court itself  is NOT able to stop, fearing the Islamic Supremacists. Political Islamists go on a mayhem attacking government property, and life and property of Non-muslims in India, for every sundry incident that concerns Muslims anywhere in the world, especially after Friday Prayers (it is a travesty to even call these as prayers). New Organizations are spouting every day in many states, eulogizing Islamic Invaders who committed genocide like Aurangzeb etc.. Let us not even speak of those who are allegedly doing pieceful acts in UP, J&K, Hyderabad, North Kerala and TN, like Killing Hindu activists and forcing women to convert after raping them.

Are you sure, you're not talking about chaddis or yourself? your every other post has references to Jizya.

I am not going to respond to this incoherent nonsense. 

You said Muslim right has weakened. I gave proof of their continued existence and in fact increased activities. Now where is your argument? I have no interest in discussing issues with folks who make argument that contradict direct facts. The case is closed!

rawemotions wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

rawemotions wrote:
Muslim right has weakened! 
This should be a Joke! In one sentence the entire article has become a Hogwash and sounds disingenuous. The last time I checked Deoband/Tableeghi Jamat (who's sole purpose is to convert the entire India to become Muslim) is still around, receiving funds from all and Sundry in the Arab world and Pakistan. AIMPLB has been adding anti-constitutional Sharia courts, which the Supreme court itself  is NOT able to stop, fearing the Islamic Supremacists. Political Islamists go on a mayhem attacking government property, and life and property of Non-muslims in India, for every sundry incident that concerns Muslims anywhere in the world, especially after Friday Prayers (it is a travesty to even call these as prayers). New Organizations are spouting every day in many states, eulogizing Islamic Invaders who committed genocide like Aurangzeb etc.. Let us not even speak of those who are allegedly doing pieceful acts in UP, J&K, Hyderabad, North Kerala and TN, like Killing Hindu activists and forcing women to convert after raping them.

Are you sure, you're not talking about chaddis or yourself? your every other post has references to Jizya.

I am not going to respond to this incoherent nonsense. 

You said Muslim right has weakened. I gave proof of their continued existence and in fact increased activities. Now where is your argument? I have no interest in discussing issues with folks who make argument that contradict direct facts. The case is closed!

good policy

rawemotions wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

rawemotions wrote:
Muslim right has weakened! 
This should be a Joke! In one sentence the entire article has become a Hogwash and sounds disingenuous. The last time I checked Deoband/Tableeghi Jamat (who's sole purpose is to convert the entire India to become Muslim) is still around, receiving funds from all and Sundry in the Arab world and Pakistan. AIMPLB has been adding anti-constitutional Sharia courts, which the Supreme court itself  is NOT able to stop, fearing the Islamic Supremacists. Political Islamists go on a mayhem attacking government property, and life and property of Non-muslims in India, for every sundry incident that concerns Muslims anywhere in the world, especially after Friday Prayers (it is a travesty to even call these as prayers). New Organizations are spouting every day in many states, eulogizing Islamic Invaders who committed genocide like Aurangzeb etc.. Let us not even speak of those who are allegedly doing pieceful acts in UP, J&K, Hyderabad, North Kerala and TN, like Killing Hindu activists and forcing women to convert after raping them.

Are you sure, you're not talking about chaddis or yourself? your every other post has references to Jizya.

I am not going to respond to this incoherent nonsense. 

You said Muslim right has weakened. I gave proof of their continued existence and in fact increased activities. Now where is your argument? I have no interest in discussing issues with folks who make argument that contradict direct facts. The case is closed!

bahh! where did I say that and I'm the incoherent one; look in the mirror please.

confuzzled dude wrote:

rawemotions wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

rawemotions wrote:
Muslim right has weakened! 
This should be a Joke! In one sentence the entire article has become a Hogwash and sounds disingenuous. The last time I checked Deoband/Tableeghi Jamat (who's sole purpose is to convert the entire India to become Muslim) is still around, receiving funds from all and Sundry in the Arab world and Pakistan. AIMPLB has been adding anti-constitutional Sharia courts, which the Supreme court itself  is NOT able to stop, fearing the Islamic Supremacists. Political Islamists go on a mayhem attacking government property, and life and property of Non-muslims in India, for every sundry incident that concerns Muslims anywhere in the world, especially after Friday Prayers (it is a travesty to even call these as prayers). New Organizations are spouting every day in many states, eulogizing Islamic Invaders who committed genocide like Aurangzeb etc.. Let us not even speak of those who are allegedly doing pieceful acts in UP, J&K, Hyderabad, North Kerala and TN, like Killing Hindu activists and forcing women to convert after raping them.

Are you sure, you're not talking about chaddis or yourself? your every other post has references to Jizya.

I am not going to respond to this incoherent nonsense. 

You said Muslim right has weakened. I gave proof of their continued existence and in fact increased activities. Now where is your argument? I have no interest in discussing issues with folks who make argument that contradict direct facts. The case is closed!

bahh! where did I say that and I'm the incoherent one; look in the mirror please.

you post the whine of some guy who says muslim right is on the wane and hindu right is on the rise, then you post a one liner saying you wish it were true. that oneliner is supposed to give us a clue on what your real point is? you say everything and also deny everything...very devious and neduguri like and yes, intentionally incoherent.

confuzzled dude wrote:

rawemotions wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

rawemotions wrote:
Muslim right has weakened! 
This should be a Joke! In one sentence the entire article has become a Hogwash and sounds disingenuous. The last time I checked Deoband/Tableeghi Jamat (who's sole purpose is to convert the entire India to become Muslim) is still around, receiving funds from all and Sundry in the Arab world and Pakistan. AIMPLB has been adding anti-constitutional Sharia courts, which the Supreme court itself  is NOT able to stop, fearing the Islamic Supremacists. Political Islamists go on a mayhem attacking government property, and life and property of Non-muslims in India, for every sundry incident that concerns Muslims anywhere in the world, especially after Friday Prayers (it is a travesty to even call these as prayers). New Organizations are spouting every day in many states, eulogizing Islamic Invaders who committed genocide like Aurangzeb etc.. Let us not even speak of those who are allegedly doing pieceful acts in UP, J&K, Hyderabad, North Kerala and TN, like Killing Hindu activists and forcing women to convert after raping them.

Are you sure, you're not talking about chaddis or yourself? your every other post has references to Jizya.

I am not going to respond to this incoherent nonsense. 

You said Muslim right has weakened. I gave proof of their continued existence and in fact increased activities. Now where is your argument? I have no interest in discussing issues with folks who make argument that contradict direct facts. The case is closed!

bahh! where did I say that and I'm the incoherent one; look in the mirror please.

Ok I correct myself here. You did not say that. The author said that, and my original post also mentioned that the author said it and countered the author. Also it looks like you do agree to what I say so we do not need to discuss this further. But your intervention, despite your agreement is still incoherent nonsense, and I do not intend to respond to it.

rawemotions wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

rawemotions wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

rawemotions wrote:
Muslim right has weakened! 
This should be a Joke! In one sentence the entire article has become a Hogwash and sounds disingenuous. The last time I checked Deoband/Tableeghi Jamat (who's sole purpose is to convert the entire India to become Muslim) is still around, receiving funds from all and Sundry in the Arab world and Pakistan. AIMPLB has been adding anti-constitutional Sharia courts, which the Supreme court itself  is NOT able to stop, fearing the Islamic Supremacists. Political Islamists go on a mayhem attacking government property, and life and property of Non-muslims in India, for every sundry incident that concerns Muslims anywhere in the world, especially after Friday Prayers (it is a travesty to even call these as prayers). New Organizations are spouting every day in many states, eulogizing Islamic Invaders who committed genocide like Aurangzeb etc.. Let us not even speak of those who are allegedly doing pieceful acts in UP, J&K, Hyderabad, North Kerala and TN, like Killing Hindu activists and forcing women to convert after raping them.

Are you sure, you're not talking about chaddis or yourself? your every other post has references to Jizya.

I am not going to respond to this incoherent nonsense. 

You said Muslim right has weakened. I gave proof of their continued existence and in fact increased activities. Now where is your argument? I have no interest in discussing issues with folks who make argument that contradict direct facts. The case is closed!

bahh! where did I say that and I'm the incoherent one; look in the mirror please.

Ok I correct myself here. You did not say that. The author said that, and my original post also mentioned that the author said it and countered the author. Also it looks like you do agree to what I say so we do not need to discuss this further. But your intervention, despite your agreement is still incoherent nonsense, and I do not intend to respond to it.

bcz you cant; You bring up Aurangzeb 5 times a day which is much much higher than an average muslim does

[quote="confuzzled dude"][quote="rawemotions"]

confuzzled dude wrote:

rawemotions wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:
bahh! where did I say that and I'm the incoherent one; look in the mirror please.

Ok I correct myself here. You did not say that. The author said that, and my original post also mentioned that the author said it and countered the author. Also it looks like you do agree to what I say so we do not need to discuss this further. But your intervention, despite your agreement is still incoherent nonsense, and I do not intend to respond to it.

bcz you cant; You bring up Aurangzeb 5 times a day which is much much higher than an average muslim does

And you blame the West to justify the Muslim terror 5 times a day. That is more than what an iSlamic Commie blames the West.

this kind of rant is regular stuff from outlook magazine---editor of which is sonia gandhi's personal chamcha vinod mehta .

one comment below the article says that vinod pays people to write this kind of stuff . must be true .

confuzzled dude wrote:

rawemotions wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

rawemotions wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:
Are you sure, you're not talking about chaddis or yourself? your every other post has references to Jizya.

I am not going to respond to this incoherent nonsense. 

You said Muslim right has weakened. I gave proof of their continued existence and in fact increased activities. Now where is your argument? I have no interest in discussing issues with folks who make argument that contradict direct facts. The case is closed!

bahh! where did I say that and I'm the incoherent one; look in the mirror please.

Ok I correct myself here. You did not say that. The author said that, and my original post also mentioned that the author said it and countered the author. Also it looks like you do agree to what I say so we do not need to discuss this further. But your intervention, despite your agreement is still incoherent nonsense, and I do not intend to respond to it.

bcz you cant; You bring up Aurangzeb 5 times a day which is much much higher than an average muslim does

Why dont you ask your friend JM to teach you the meaning of the word eulogize ? 

I wouldn't have to talk about Aurangzeb if your friends in the Congress party had told the truth about the ethnic cleansing (perhaps the largest in the world history) committed by Political Islamist doctrine  inspired Islamic Invaders , to all citizens of India (especially Muslims and plausible converts like you) who get educated in India , irrespective of where they get educated, including Madrassas. If that had happened, a majority would be like the secular Turkish muslims who abhor Political Islamist doctrine, and fight political Islamists among them, instead of supporting folks like Owaisi, Geelani and Pakistani Political Islamists, who seek to convert entire India into a 100% Muslim nation.

ashdoc wrote:this kind of rant is regular stuff from outlook magazine---editor of which is sonia gandhi's personal chamcha vinod mehta .

one comment below the article says that vinod pays people to write this kind of stuff . must be true .

I think the author is right for the most part, which is why RSS/BJP has invented love jihad to rile hindus up.

confuzzled dude wrote:

ashdoc wrote:this kind of rant is regular stuff from outlook magazine---editor of which is sonia gandhi's personal chamcha vinod mehta .

one comment below the article says that vinod pays people to write this kind of stuff . must be true .

I think the author is right for the most part, which is why RSS/BJP has invented love jihad to rile hindus up.

You mean like the Cong(islam) raised the bogey of hindu fundamentalism incessantly for the last 50 years while promoting islamic fundamentalism to take hold, grow and spread across India - subverting Shah bano, hushing up Bombay blast, promoting Haj subsidies, etc...

After all...why is cong(iSlam) complaining BJP policies after having labeled it communal all along?

Sonia ji should become a hindu.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

ashdoc wrote:this kind of rant is regular stuff from outlook magazine---editor of which is sonia gandhi's personal chamcha vinod mehta .

one comment below the article says that vinod pays people to write this kind of stuff . must be true .

I think the author is right for the most part, which is why RSS/BJP has invented love jihad to rile hindus up.

You mean like the Cong(islam) raised the bogey of hindu fundamentalism incessantly for the last 50 years while promoting islamic fundamentalism to take hold, grow and spread across India - subverting Shah bano, hushing up Bombay blast, promoting Haj subsidies, etc...

After all...why is cong(iSlam) complaining BJP policies after having labeled it communal all along?  

Sonia ji should become a hindu.

We all know how effective the means used by the advanced countries to tackle Islamic fundamentalism.The proof is in the pudding