ramanujan

by Hellsangel Fri Jan 23, 2015 9:47 pm

TamBrahm dance.

by bw Fri Jan 23, 2015 9:49 pm

by bw Fri Jan 23, 2015 9:50 pm

Hellsangel wrote:TamBrahm dance.

haha, romancing ramanujan.

i want to watch this movie.

by bw Fri Jan 23, 2015 9:54 pm

haha@"maisthik maindu"

by MaxEntropy_Man Fri Jan 23, 2015 10:59 pm

they can't leave lavvuu out of anything can they?

by pravalika nanda Fri Jan 23, 2015 11:14 pm

bw wrote:

i couldn't watch after the first 15s for the reason that max implies. ramanujan is a man of great stature - madhu read the man who knew infinity when she was in high school and she was floored. even my high school physics teachers knew of him. this frolicking is embarrassing.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Jan 24, 2015 12:08 am

bw wrote:

Hopefully there is plenty of lip-lip kissing and naked bedroom scenes. That way, people will throng to the theaters and at least come to know of Ramanujan.

Am glad his Widow died a few years ago and escaped seeing this movie.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sat Jan 24, 2015 12:20 am

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
bw wrote:

Hopefully there is plenty of lip-lip kissing and naked bedroom scenes. That way, people will throng to the theaters and at least come to know of Ramanujan.

Am glad his Widow died a few years ago and escaped seeing this movie.

you got that right! this is not in the league of anything tamil movie producers can touch. i am sure it's crappily made. ten seconds of watching this idiocy is enough. wish they'd left him alone.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Jan 24, 2015 12:26 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
bw wrote:

Hopefully there is plenty of lip-lip kissing and naked bedroom scenes. That way, people will throng to the theaters and at least come to know of Ramanujan.

Am glad his Widow died a few years ago and escaped seeing this movie.

you got that right! this is not in the league of anything tamil movie producers can touch. i am sure it's crappily made. ten seconds of watching this idiocy is enough. wish they'd left him alone.

Soon expect the cast and the producers proclaim their love of Ramanujan and mathematics and assure that their only goal is to come out with a movie of this great man - and of course all this dance and song is to make it commercially viable.

Is there any affair between Ramanujan and some blonde Brit?

by Kris Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:57 am

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
bw wrote:

Hopefully there is plenty of lip-lip kissing and naked bedroom scenes. That way, people will throng to the theaters and at least come to know of Ramanujan.

Am glad his Widow died a few years ago and escaped seeing this movie.

>>>His widow is also my friend's relative. I had lunch at his place a couple of weeks ago. I hope he doesn't see this. She is (i guess, was) a family elder, kind of the aunt that plays a prominent role in family matters.

by truthbetold Sat Jan 24, 2015 7:56 am

a little surprised at all the negative comments on this thread. I saw the song. It was done with taste. Was ramanujan not a man? Aren't they married? Is romance not part of life? Or is it prohibited by math profession?

Help us understand your concerns?

by MaxEntropy_Man Sat Jan 24, 2015 8:54 am

truthbetold wrote:a little surprised at all the negative comments on this thread. I saw the song. It was done with taste. Was ramanujan not a man? Aren't they married? Is romance not part of life? Or is it prohibited by math profession?

Help us understand your concerns?

what's the goal here -- to narrate a story without distorting the key details of a person's life and in the process entertain, or entertain without paying any regard to the actual life lived? robert kanigel's book makes it clear that ramanujan barely had a relationship with his wife. it was a child marriage (at least for her) and he was utterly consumed by mathematics. it's hard to imagine a scenario like what's depicted in that scene which granted i watched only for 10 s.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sat Jan 24, 2015 9:01 am

and given what we know about tamil movies, i fully trust them to completely ignore his development as a mathematician in india and in cambridge, his struggles with the academic establishment in india and cambridge, his relationship with hardy and littlewood, and instead make up the whole movie with spurioius shit like this. after all tamil movie making has a long history based on which we can make reasonable judgments without having to suffer through the whole movie.

by Guest Sat Jan 24, 2015 9:28 am

Timeline. As per wiki - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srinivasa_Ramanujan

Ramanujan married Janakiammal (21 March 1899 – 13 April 1994) in 1909, when he was 21 and she was 10. Ya ok, this must have been acceptable back then.

After the marriage, Ramanujan developed a hydrocele testis, an abnormal swelling of the tunica vaginalis, an internal membrane in the testicle. In late 1910, Ramanujan was sick again, possibly as a result of the surgery earlier in the year.

Ramanujan then set sail for England, leaving his wife to stay with his parents in India. Ramanujan boarded the S.S. Nevasa on 17 March 1914.

She had just turned 15 when he left for England. He came back 6 years later terminally sick. She was 20-21 when he passed away. He was 32 at the time.

The song shows them as much more mature.

by truthbetold Sat Jan 24, 2015 12:32 pm

Max,

If you want to criticize based on factual representation, that is one thing. For example, BK's list of facts leading to her criticism makes sense.

Having said that, a movie is not a documentary. All history is rewritten over time. In this case, despite the so called artistic license, the facts seem to be well documented in other media.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sat Jan 24, 2015 12:35 pm

i think kanigel's biography which is beautifully written is THE definitive source. no indian biographer prior to him did such a detailed, careful, and thorough job of it. i'd watch any movie which is firmly based on kanigel's book.

by FluteHolder Sat Jan 24, 2015 1:01 pm

http://www.ishafoundation.org/blog/sadhguru/spot/doorway-to-the-beyond/

Ramanujan was a brilliant mathematician from Tamil Nadu. He had very little formal education, he was mostly self-taught, but he went to Cambridge to work with various mathematicians there. When I say mathematics, you need to understand it is not a school subject. You can convert the whole creation into numbers; that is mathematics. It took years for great mathematicians in the world to understand his work. He did many theorems and said they were given to him by ‘Namagiri’ – his deity. He had initially refused to travel outside India, but later agreed when his mother received permission from Namagiri for him to go to England in a dream.

While on his deathbed in 1920, Ramanujan wrote a letter to his mentor, English mathematician GH Hardy outlining several new mathematical functions never before heard of. In his own words – “While asleep, I had an unusual experience. There was a red screen formed by flowing blood, as it were. I was observing it. Suddenly a hand began to write on the screen. I became all attention. That hand wrote a number of elliptic integrals. They stuck to my mind. As soon as I woke up, I commited them to writing.” In the last 90 years, nobody understood what his theorem was, but they knew it was something tremendous. Only in 2010 did they find out that this theorem describes various behaviors of black holes. Ninety years ago, no one was talking about black holes, the term did not even exist, but Ramanujan made a mathematical impression for it sitting on his deathbed and he said ‘my Devi’ gave it to me. When Ramanujan says, ‘Devi gave it to me’, for him Devi is the doorway.

by FluteHolder Sat Jan 24, 2015 1:12 pm

http://www.hindunet.org/alt_hindu/1995_Mar_2/msg00033.html

Some more info/details about his life in this 20yr old thread/forum post.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Jan 24, 2015 1:52 pm

FluteHolder wrote:http://www.ishafoundation.org/blog/sadhguru/spot/doorway-to-the-beyond/

Ramanujan was a brilliant mathematician from Tamil Nadu. He had very little formal education, he was mostly self-taught, but he went to Cambridge to work with various mathematicians there. When I say mathematics, you need to understand it is not a school subject. You can convert the whole creation into numbers; that is mathematics. It took years for great mathematicians in the world to understand his work. He did many theorems and said they were given to him by ‘Namagiri’ – his deity. He had initially refused to travel outside India, but later agreed when his mother received permission from Namagiri for him to go to England in a dream.

While on his deathbed in 1920, Ramanujan wrote a letter to his mentor, English mathematician GH Hardy outlining several new mathematical functions never before heard of. In his own words – “While asleep, I had an unusual experience. There was a red screen formed by flowing blood, as it were. I was observing it. Suddenly a hand began to write on the screen. I became all attention. That hand wrote a number of elliptic integrals. They stuck to my mind. As soon as I woke up, I commited them to writing.” In the last 90 years, nobody understood what his theorem was, but they knew it was something tremendous. Only in 2010 did they find out that this theorem describes various behaviors of black holes. Ninety years ago, no one was talking about black holes, the term did not even exist, but Ramanujan made a mathematical impression for it sitting on his deathbed and he said ‘my Devi’ gave it to me. When Ramanujan says, ‘Devi gave it to me’, for him Devi is the doorway.

People should stop wasting their time and simply spend time at Isha and listen to V. Sadhguru.

by Kris Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:23 pm

truthbetold wrote:a little surprised at all the negative comments on this thread. I saw the song. It was done with taste. Was ramanujan not a man? Aren't they married? Is romance not part of life? Or is it prohibited by math profession?

Help us understand your concerns?

>>TBT,

I didn't watch the movie and most likely won't. As others have said, there wasn't much of a married life in this case. Maybe the broader disappointment is with the indian movie industry's inability to make a movie without the song and dance routine. You remember the movie Ashoka? It seemed like it was about Ashoka's dancing (and Kareena Kapoor's too) and his contribution to Buddhism was almost mentioned as afterthought, maybe as the credits rolled up.

by Seva Lamberdar Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:31 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
bw wrote:

Hopefully there is plenty of lip-lip kissing and naked bedroom scenes. That way, people will throng to the theaters and at least come to know of Ramanujan.

Am glad his Widow died a few years ago and escaped seeing this movie.

Who knows she might have enjoyed living the life again with her husband --- nobody knows what went on between them when they were a couple.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:57 pm

Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Hopefully there is plenty of lip-lip kissing and naked bedroom scenes. That way, people will throng to the theaters and at least come to know of Ramanujan.

Am glad his Widow died a few years ago and escaped seeing this movie.

Who knows she might have enjoyed living the life again with her husband --- nobody knows what went on between them when they were a couple.

no too difficult to imagine - between a 20 yr old and 10 yr old in household with people in those days.

by Seva Lamberdar Sat Jan 24, 2015 4:17 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Hopefully there is plenty of lip-lip kissing and naked bedroom scenes. That way, people will throng to the theaters and at least come to know of Ramanujan.

Am glad his Widow died a few years ago and escaped seeing this movie.

Who knows she might have enjoyed living the life again with her husband --- nobody knows what went on between them when they were a couple.
no too difficult to imagine - between a 20 yr old and 10 yr old in household with people in those days.

Perhaps so.

On the other hand, I had a classmate (a boy) in school in grade sixth (or seventh ...can't remember now) during the 1950s --- his parents (from a farming family) got him married right then because he was their only child and they couldn't wait any longer for a daughter-in-law. After the wedding, he would regularly give his close friends in school the details about what happened between him and his wife (about the same age as him) the previous night. It was pretty graphic and seemed like the young couple were having quite a fun.

by Hellsangel Sat Jan 24, 2015 4:20 pm

Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Hopefully there is plenty of lip-lip kissing and naked bedroom scenes. That way, people will throng to the theaters and at least come to know of Ramanujan.

Am glad his Widow died a few years ago and escaped seeing this movie.

Who knows she might have enjoyed living the life again with her husband --- nobody knows what went on between them when they were a couple.
no too difficult to imagine - between a 20 yr old and 10 yr old in household with people in those days.

Perhaps so.

On the other hand, I had a classmate (a boy) in school in grade sixth (or seventh ...can't remember now) during the 1950s --- his parents (from a farming family) got him married right then because he was their only child and they couldn't wait any longer for a daughter-in-law. After the wedding, he would regularly give his close friends in school the details about what happened between him and his wife (about the same age as him) the previous night. It was pretty graphic and seemed like the young couple were having quite a fun.

Sevaji, that would put their age at 12 to 14. You're into child porn?

by bw Sun Jan 25, 2015 7:19 pm

FluteHolder wrote:http://www.ishafoundation.org/blog/sadhguru/spot/doorway-to-the-beyond/

Ramanujan was a brilliant mathematician from Tamil Nadu. He had very little formal education, he was mostly self-taught, but he went to Cambridge to work with various mathematicians there. When I say mathematics, you need to understand it is not a school subject. You can convert the whole creation into numbers; that is mathematics. It took years for great mathematicians in the world to understand his work. He did many theorems and said they were given to him by ‘Namagiri’ – his deity. He had initially refused to travel outside India, but later agreed when his mother received permission from Namagiri for him to go to England in a dream.

While on his deathbed in 1920, Ramanujan wrote a letter to his mentor, English mathematician GH Hardy outlining several new mathematical functions never before heard of. In his own words – “While asleep, I had an unusual experience. There was a red screen formed by flowing blood, as it were. I was observing it. Suddenly a hand began to write on the screen. I became all attention. That hand wrote a number of elliptic integrals. They stuck to my mind. As soon as I woke up, I commited them to writing.” In the last 90 years, nobody understood what his theorem was, but they knew it was something tremendous. Only in 2010 did they find out that this theorem describes various behaviors of black holes. Ninety years ago, no one was talking about black holes, the term did not even exist, but Ramanujan made a mathematical impression for it sitting on his deathbed and he said ‘my Devi’ gave it to me. When Ramanujan says, ‘Devi gave it to me’, for him Devi is the doorway.

aha, the usual tosh from sadhguru. mock theta functions, formulated(discovered?) by ramanujan, have been used in calculating the entropy of black holes, in addition to applications in a bunch of other fields. the idiot-ji has twisted it to claim ramanujan had a mathematical impression of black holes when no one was talking of it and "devi" gave it to him.

by FluteHolder Sun Jan 25, 2015 7:32 pm

Text from one of the link above:
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Hardy sensed an extremely rare opportunity, a
"discovery," and quickly arranged a scholarship
for the then 26-year-old Ramanujan. The
invitation came to India and landed like a bomb in
Ramanujan's family and community circle. His
mother was horrified that he would lose caste by
traveling to foreign shores. She refused to let
him go unless it was sanctioned by the Goddess.
According to one version of the story, the aged
mother then dreamt of the blessing from Namagiri.
But Janaki says her husband himself went to the
namagiri temple for guidance and was told to make
the voyage. Ramanujan consulted the astrological
data for his journey. He sent is mother and wife
to another town so they wouldn't see him with his
long brahmin's hair and bun trimmed to British
short style and his Indian shirt and wrapcloth
swapped for European fashion. He left India as a
slightly plump man with apple-round cheeks and
eyes like bright zeroes.
----

So should we conclude this great mathematician as an Idiot?

by bw Sun Jan 25, 2015 7:46 pm

FluteHolder wrote:Text from one of the link above:
--
Hardy sensed an extremely rare opportunity, a
"discovery," and quickly arranged a scholarship
for the then 26-year-old Ramanujan. The
invitation came to India and landed like a bomb in
Ramanujan's family and community circle. His
mother was horrified that he would lose caste by
traveling to foreign shores. She refused to let
him go unless it was sanctioned by the Goddess.
According to one version of the story, the aged
mother then dreamt of the blessing from Namagiri.
But Janaki says her husband himself went to the
namagiri temple for guidance and was told to make
the voyage. Ramanujan consulted the astrological
data for his journey. He sent is mother and wife
to another town so they wouldn't see him with his
long brahmin's hair and bun trimmed to British
short style and his Indian shirt and wrapcloth
swapped for European fashion. He left India as a
slightly plump man with apple-round cheeks and
eyes like bright zeroes.
----

So should we conclude this great mathematician as an Idiot?

he was superstitious and believed in all that nonsense as many do and did. what people do in their personal life is not of any relevance.

sadhguru is an idiotji because he talks with great authority about topics he has no clue about and spouts nonsense - science, for instance. and the above statement about ramanujan and blackholes!

by pravalika nanda Sun Jan 25, 2015 7:49 pm

FluteHolder wrote:Text from one of the link above:
--
Hardy sensed an extremely rare opportunity, a
"discovery," and quickly arranged a scholarship
for the then 26-year-old Ramanujan. The
invitation came to India and landed like a bomb in
Ramanujan's family and community circle. His
mother was horrified that he would lose caste by
traveling to foreign shores. She refused to let
him go unless it was sanctioned by the Goddess.
According to one version of the story, the aged
mother then dreamt of the blessing from Namagiri.
But Janaki says her husband himself went to the
namagiri temple for guidance and was told to make
the voyage. Ramanujan consulted the astrological
data for his journey. He sent is mother and wife
to another town so they wouldn't see him with his
long brahmin's hair and bun trimmed to British
short style and his Indian shirt and wrapcloth
swapped for European fashion. He left India as a
slightly plump man with apple-round cheeks and
eyes like bright zeroes.
----

So should we conclude this great mathematician as an Idiot?

it was the tradition and habit in those times to consult the calendar for a good muhurtam. he also believed in god. he also got married to a kid. however, note that he did not allow the traditions of that time to prevent him from realizing his potential. he changed his way of dressing, his hair, his food habits, he left his country and he struggled by himself in London. not only was he by all accounts a brilliant mathematician and an inspiration to many young people, he was also open to change, something we cannot say of a lot of people even in this day.

I mean, several establishments in NY have a manual door next to the automatic door. We see educated, well-travelled people in head scarves and shtreimels and religious headgear all the time. Ramanujan was socially far ahead of his times. Anyhow, I'm not wasting my time on this.

by pravalika nanda Sun Jan 25, 2015 7:55 pm

Kris wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
bw wrote:

Hopefully there is plenty of lip-lip kissing and naked bedroom scenes. That way, people will throng to the theaters and at least come to know of Ramanujan.

Am glad his Widow died a few years ago and escaped seeing this movie.
>>>His widow is also my friend's relative. I had lunch at his place a couple of weeks ago. I hope he doesn't see this. She is (i guess, was) a family elder, kind of the aunt that plays a prominent role in family matters.

oh really, his widow is also related to me by way of monkeys.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Jan 25, 2015 9:24 pm

pravalika nanda wrote:Ramanujan was socially far ahead of his times.

i don't think so. ramanujan was a social conformist to the core in all areas of his life besides mathematics. every detail of his life suggests that. it took a lot for him to overcome reservations about crossing the seas to go to england. the draw of mathematics was a powerful enough drug that helped overcome proscriptions imposed by society. aside from this one thing, there is nothing that suggests that ramanujan was socially far ahead of his times. quite the opposite actually.

by Kris Sun Jan 25, 2015 10:26 pm

pravalika nanda wrote:
Kris wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
bw wrote:

Hopefully there is plenty of lip-lip kissing and naked bedroom scenes. That way, people will throng to the theaters and at least come to know of Ramanujan.

Am glad his Widow died a few years ago and escaped seeing this movie.
>>>His widow is also my friend's relative. I had lunch at his place a couple of weeks ago. I hope he doesn't see this. She is (i guess, was) a family elder, kind of the aunt that plays a prominent role in family matters.

oh really, his widow is also related to me by way of monkeys.

????

by Seva Lamberdar Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:01 am

Considering the happiness all around in this video, it probably can be used effectively to attract young men and women in pursuing maths. as their main subject in school / college.

by Hellsangel Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:34 am

Seva Lamberdar wrote:Considering the happiness all around in this video, it probably can be used effectively to attract young men and women in pursuing maths. as their main subject in school / college.

You're a genius, Sevaji!

by Propagandhi711 Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:46 am

Kris wrote:
truthbetold wrote:a little surprised at all the negative comments on this thread. I saw the song. It was done with taste. Was ramanujan not a man? Aren't they married? Is romance not part of life? Or is it prohibited by math profession?

Help us understand your concerns?
>>TBT,

I didn't watch the movie and most likely won't. As others have said, there wasn't much of a married life in this case. Maybe the broader disappointment is with the indian movie industry's inability to make a movie without the song and dance routine. You remember the movie Ashoka? It seemed like it was about Ashoka's dancing (and Kareena Kapoor's too) and his contribution to Buddhism was almost mentioned as afterthought, maybe as the credits rolled up.

ppl forget these are commercial movies and they're intended for one purpose only: to make money. why should they alter their mission in life simply because the subject is a sacred cow?

by Hellsangel Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:49 am

Actually this brings "A Beautiful Mind" to the discussion. I am sure a few people have watched that movie. Comments on that movie?

by Seva Lamberdar Mon Jan 26, 2015 4:36 pm

Hellsangel wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:Considering the happiness all around in this video, it probably can be used effectively to attract young men and women in pursuing maths. as their main subject in school / college.

You're a genius, Sevaji!

LOL .... and my name is not even Ramanujan!

by Guest Mon Jan 26, 2015 4:46 pm

If only his mom allowed his wife to go along with him to England, he probably wouldn't have gotten so sick and died so young!

by bw Mon Jan 26, 2015 6:35 pm

Hellsangel wrote:Actually this brings "A Beautiful Mind" to the discussion. I am sure a few people have watched that movie. Comments on that movie?

that was a remarkably bad movie - in other words, a typical hollywood movie.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:58 pm

Kinnera wrote:If only his mom allowed his wife to go along with him to England, he probably wouldn't have gotten so sick and died so young!

I dont think that has anything to do with his ulcers or perhaps TB. His wife could not have prevented that. Of course, he "believed" she could have. But then it was he who did not want her to accompany him.

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