racism in india again... 4th violent incident in 8 months

Propagandhi711 wrote:I am going to return the corporate award I got in july in protest. this is unacceptable

brie wrote:

Propagandhi711 wrote:I am going to return the corporate award I got in july in protest. this is unacceptable

wait SWAPNA DIDI ROCKS, amitav ghosh did not return it. neither did vikram seth. why follow the herd? 

this is not to say i condone the lynching of muslims suspected of being involved with beef or related issues. but, it is true that such incidents have been happening since 1947 (as pointed out in another thread). asking modi to rein in vhp rss is no different from asking him to move a bill to abolish polygamy among muslims. i am not offering a justification for the recent attacks but pointing out that they have always haunted us since independence. the only difference is that this time it is hindus who are the perpetrators. modi has regretted it at a union, or pm, level. not satisfied? vote congress next time. no matter which political party wins, it is india that loses. as per exit polls bihar is lost. indian economy is fucked. i need a job -- send me pm if you need a 50 year old loyal house-help in usa.

dineshan is glossing over hindu crimes while forgetting about how much benefit could have been delivered to the country had nda had a majority in rajya sabha. regrettable, as rajan said, the opposition is indulging in "political opportunism." the bjp did it to once but there has to be a line where a political party must decide (be it bjp or congress) whether its opportunism will harm dineshan. oh well, who cares of what i think and who ever had moral rectitude in indian politics starting from nehru.

Propagandhi711 wrote:

brie wrote:

Propagandhi711 wrote:I am going to return the corporate award I got in july in protest. this is unacceptable

wait SWAPNA DIDI ROCKS, amitav ghosh did not return it. neither did vikram seth. why follow the herd? 

this is not to say i condone the lynching of muslims suspected of being involved with beef or related issues. but, it is true that such incidents have been happening since 1947 (as pointed out in another thread). asking modi to rein in vhp rss is no different from asking him to move a bill to abolish polygamy among muslims. i am not offering a justification for the recent attacks but pointing out that they have always haunted us since independence. the only difference is that this time it is hindus who are the perpetrators. modi has regretted it at a union, or pm, level. not satisfied? vote congress next time. no matter which political party wins, it is india that loses. as per exit polls bihar is lost. indian economy is fucked. i need a job -- send me pm if you need a 50 year old loyal house-help in usa.

dineshan is glossing over hindu crimes while forgetting about how much benefit could have been delivered to the country had nda had a majority in rajya sabha. regrettable, as rajan said, the opposition is indulging in "political opportunism." the bjp did it to once but there has to be a line where a political party must decide (be it bjp or congress) whether its opportunism will harm dineshan. oh well, who cares of what i think and who ever had moral rectitude in indian politics starting from nehru.

is your cook free to travel to US? seven might want him for a sex slave job...or was it cooking, I cant remember.

indian economy will be the net loser in short term with this political football played by the clueless. however it is one of the pitfalls of being a democracy.

Propagandhi711 wrote:

brie wrote:

Propagandhi711 wrote:I am going to return the corporate award I got in july in protest. this is unacceptable

wait SWAPNA DIDI ROCKS, amitav ghosh did not return it. neither did vikram seth. why follow the herd? 

this is not to say i condone the lynching of muslims suspected of being involved with beef or related issues. but, it is true that such incidents have been happening since 1947 (as pointed out in another thread). asking modi to rein in vhp rss is no different from asking him to move a bill to abolish polygamy among muslims. i am not offering a justification for the recent attacks but pointing out that they have always haunted us since independence. the only difference is that this time it is hindus who are the perpetrators. modi has regretted it at a union, or pm, level. not satisfied? vote congress next time. no matter which political party wins, it is india that loses. as per exit polls bihar is lost. indian economy is fucked. i need a job -- send me pm if you need a 50 year old loyal house-help in usa.

dineshan is glossing over hindu crimes while forgetting about how much benefit could have been delivered to the country had nda had a majority in rajya sabha. regrettable, as rajan said, the opposition is indulging in "political opportunism." the bjp did it to once but there has to be a line where a political party must decide (be it bjp or congress) whether its opportunism will harm dineshan. oh well, who cares of what i think and who ever had moral rectitude in indian politics starting from nehru.

is your cook free to travel to US? seven might want him for a sex slave job...or was it cooking, I cant remember.

indian economy will be the net loser in short term with this political football played by the clueless. however it is one of the pitfalls of being a democracy.

brie wrote:

Propagandhi711 wrote:

brie wrote:

Propagandhi711 wrote:I am going to return the corporate award I got in july in protest. this is unacceptable

wait SWAPNA DIDI ROCKS, amitav ghosh did not return it. neither did vikram seth. why follow the herd? 

this is not to say i condone the lynching of muslims suspected of being involved with beef or related issues. but, it is true that such incidents have been happening since 1947 (as pointed out in another thread). asking modi to rein in vhp rss is no different from asking him to move a bill to abolish polygamy among muslims. i am not offering a justification for the recent attacks but pointing out that they have always haunted us since independence. the only difference is that this time it is hindus who are the perpetrators. modi has regretted it at a union, or pm, level. not satisfied? vote congress next time. no matter which political party wins, it is india that loses. as per exit polls bihar is lost. indian economy is fucked. i need a job -- send me pm if you need a 50 year old loyal house-help in usa.

dineshan is glossing over hindu crimes while forgetting about how much benefit could have been delivered to the country had nda had a majority in rajya sabha. regrettable, as rajan said, the opposition is indulging in "political opportunism." the bjp did it to once but there has to be a line where a political party must decide (be it bjp or congress) whether its opportunism will harm dineshan. oh well, who cares of what i think and who ever had moral rectitude in indian politics starting from nehru.

is your cook free to travel to US? seven might want him for a sex slave job...or was it cooking, I cant remember.

indian economy will be the net loser in short term with this political football played by the clueless. however it is one of the pitfalls of being a democracy.

Kris wrote:
>>>>Yep. This particular time however it may be a really big setback, if India lets this opportunity slip away. The opportunity has come up due to a confluence of events such as Europe being wobbly, China's cantankerousness and the general goodwill due to the successful Indian diaspora. A similar opportunity may not come up for a long time. The opposition wants to cut off its nose to spite its face with this opportunistic play.

Propagandhi711 wrote:I am going to return the corporate award I got in july in protest. this is unacceptable

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kris wrote:
>>>>Yep. This particular time however it may be a really big setback, if India lets this opportunity slip away. The opportunity has come up due to a confluence of events such as Europe being wobbly, China's cantankerousness and the general goodwill due to the successful Indian diaspora. A similar opportunity may not come up for a long time. The opposition wants to cut off its nose to spite its face with this opportunistic play.

Hmmm.. where have you been in the last 10 years sir, when BJP (including 56-incher) played the game to block with several reforms?

brie wrote:
bad comparison. let's argue. here are the reasons why this comparison is bad -

- upa 2 got hit by corruption scams.

brie wrote:
the acts of disruption by bjp match the acts of disruption by the congress in numbers probably (and this is in one year -- by the end of the term the number of disruptions by congress in rs will probably become a guinness record) but congress's act of disruption in the rajya sabha is to deny the mandate of the voters (they have the mandate of the nation) by a peculiar flaw in our democracy. it is, as rajan or mukherjee said, political opportunism. would the bjp have done the same thing had they been in congress's place today? maybe. when they do we will cry foul. but we can't equate what bjp did to upa 2 with what congress is doing to nda. 

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kris wrote:
>>>>Yep. This particular time however it may be a really big setback, if India lets this opportunity slip away. The opportunity has come up due to a confluence of events such as Europe being wobbly, China's cantankerousness and the general goodwill due to the successful Indian diaspora. A similar opportunity may not come up for a long time. The opposition wants to cut off its nose to spite its face with this opportunistic play.

Hmmm.. where have you been in the last 10 years sir, when BJP (including 56-incher) played the game to block with several reforms?

Kris wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kris wrote:
>>>>Yep. This particular time however it may be a really big setback, if India lets this opportunity slip away. The opportunity has come up due to a confluence of events such as Europe being wobbly, China's cantankerousness and the general goodwill due to the successful Indian diaspora. A similar opportunity may not come up for a long time. The opposition wants to cut off its nose to spite its face with this opportunistic play.

Hmmm.. where have you been in the last 10 years sir, when BJP (including 56-incher) played the game to block with several reforms?

>>>CD, my point is about letting an opportunity slip away, not that some politicians are nobler than others and don't engage in political opportunism.

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

Propagandhi711 wrote:I am going to return the corporate award I got in july in protest. this is unacceptable

That jerking-off-while-on-production-support-duty award?? Modi sarkar says no thanks.

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

Propagandhi711 wrote:I am going to return the corporate award I goesst in july in protest. this is unacceptable

That jerking-off-while-on-production-support-duty award?? Modi sarkar says no thanks.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kris wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kris wrote:
>>>>Yep. This particular time however it may be a really big setback, if India lets this opportunity slip away. The opportunity has come up due to a confluence of events such as Europe being wobbly, China's cantankerousness and the general goodwill due to the successful Indian diaspora. A similar opportunity may not come up for a long time. The opposition wants to cut off its nose to spite its face with this opportunistic play.

Hmmm.. where have you been in the last 10 years sir, when BJP (including 56-incher) played the game to block with several reforms?

>>>CD, my point is about letting an opportunity slip away, not that some politicians are nobler than others and don't engage in political opportunism.

What opportunity? Modi thus far has proved that he is not the vikas-purush everyone imagined him to be, and only good at inciting tensions along communal lines.

Kris wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kris wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kris wrote:
>>>>Yep. This particular time however it may be a really big setback, if India lets this opportunity slip away. The opportunity has come up due to a confluence of events such as Europe being wobbly, China's cantankerousness and the general goodwill due to the successful Indian diaspora. A similar opportunity may not come up for a long time. The opposition wants to cut off its nose to spite its face with this opportunistic play.

Hmmm.. where have you been in the last 10 years sir, when BJP (including 56-incher) played the game to block with several reforms?

>>>CD, my point is about letting an opportunity slip away, not that some politicians are nobler than others and don't engage in political opportunism.

What opportunity? Modi thus far has proved that he is not the vikas-purush everyone imagined him to be, and only good at inciting tensions along communal lines.

>>>What opportunity do you think Raghuram Rajan was talking about? Modi or no Modi, looks like this is a case of missing the forest for the trees.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kris wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kris wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:
Hmmm.. where have you been in the last 10 years sir, when BJP (including 56-incher) played the game to block with several reforms?

>>>CD, my point is about letting an opportunity slip away, not that some politicians are nobler than others and don't engage in political opportunism.

What opportunity? Modi thus far has proved that he is not the vikas-purush everyone imagined him to be, and only good at inciting tensions along communal lines.

>>>What opportunity do you think Raghuram Rajan was talking about? Modi or no Modi, looks like this is a case of missing the forest for the trees.

Hmmm.. Writers and Artists returning awards protesting development and reforms?

Kris wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kris wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kris wrote:
>>>CD, my point is about letting an opportunity slip away, not that some politicians are nobler than others and don't engage in political opportunism.

What opportunity? Modi thus far has proved that he is not the vikas-purush everyone imagined him to be, and only good at inciting tensions along communal lines.

>>>What opportunity do you think Raghuram Rajan was talking about? Modi or no Modi, looks like this is a case of missing the forest for the trees.

Hmmm.. Writers and Artists returning awards protesting development and reforms?

>>>I don't understand. Are you saying the writers and artists have vetted out the global economic landscape and decided it is not worth it, whereas Rajan is under some false impression about those possibilities?

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kris wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kris wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:
What opportunity? Modi thus far has proved that he is not the vikas-purush everyone imagined him to be, and only good at inciting tensions along communal lines.

>>>What opportunity do you think Raghuram Rajan was talking about? Modi or no Modi, looks like this is a case of missing the forest for the trees.

Hmmm.. Writers and Artists returning awards protesting development and reforms?

>>>I don't understand. Are you saying the writers and artists have vetted out the global economic landscape and decided it is not worth it, whereas Rajan is under some false impression about those possibilities?

I'm confused. I thought you're the one making inferences between the two and drawing conclusions.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kris wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kris wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:
What opportunity? Modi thus far has proved that he is not the vikas-purush everyone imagined him to be, and only good at inciting tensions along communal lines.

>>>What opportunity do you think Raghuram Rajan was talking about? Modi or no Modi, looks like this is a case of missing the forest for the trees.

Hmmm.. Writers and Artists returning awards protesting development and reforms?

>>>I don't understand. Are you saying the writers and artists have vetted out the global economic landscape and decided it is not worth it, whereas Rajan is under some false impression about those possibilities?

I'm confused. I thought you're the one making inferences between the two and drawing conclusions.

Kris wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kris wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kris wrote:
>>>What opportunity do you think Raghuram Rajan was talking about? Modi or no Modi, looks like this is a case of missing the forest for the trees.

Hmmm.. Writers and Artists returning awards protesting development and reforms?

>>>I don't understand. Are you saying the writers and artists have vetted out the global economic landscape and decided it is not worth it, whereas Rajan is under some false impression about those possibilities?

I'm confused. I thought you're the one making inferences between the two and drawing conclusions.

Weren't you the one who asked 'what opportunity?' (bolded above) in response to my point about political opportunism killing opportunities. I referred to what Rajan referenced. You then asked "Hmmm.. Writers and Artists returning awards protesting development and reforms?"  ( I am not sure why).


Now, who brought up the writers and artists?

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kris wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kris wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:
Hmmm.. Writers and Artists returning awards protesting development and reforms?

>>>I don't understand. Are you saying the writers and artists have vetted out the global economic landscape and decided it is not worth it, whereas Rajan is under some false impression about those possibilities?

I'm confused. I thought you're the one making inferences between the two and drawing conclusions.

Weren't you the one who asked 'what opportunity?' (bolded above) in response to my point about political opportunism killing opportunities. I referred to what Rajan referenced. You then asked "Hmmm.. Writers and Artists returning awards protesting development and reforms?"  ( I am not sure why).


Now, who brought up the writers and artists?

Sir, the whole theme of this thread was parodying "giving back of awards" and you also said "Modi or no Modi", as if Modi has got nothing to do with any of the current events. Like Sr. Bush said, the buck stops with Modi.

Kris wrote:
1) So, my post about Rajan and the potential for opportunities being forfeited was part of the parody theme or should be?

2) Yes, "Modi or no Modi" was stated in the context of potential investors beating a retreat if they see a high degree of dissension in the country's politics and with the opposition presenting visuals of a society that is in the middle of some cataclysm (as compared to the imagined utopia if it was up until last year). In other words, if Modi leaves, the investors are not going to rush back in, this damage is not going to be reversed that quickly. In the meantime, the conditions that make India palatable today may changed as well. There could well be genuine causes of concern over this government's performance in a couple of years, if it does not deliver. The pretense that communal clashes are a new thing in India and therefore we will do everything in our power to derail this government is disingenuous opportunism.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kris wrote:
1) So, my post about Rajan and the potential for opportunities being forfeited was part of the parody theme or should be?

2) Yes, "Modi or no Modi" was stated in the context of potential investors beating a retreat if they see a high degree of dissension in the country's politics and with the opposition presenting visuals of a society that is in the middle of some cataclysm (as compared to the imagined utopia if it was up until last year). In other words, if Modi leaves, the investors are not going to rush back in, this damage is not going to be reversed that quickly. In the meantime, the conditions that make India palatable today may changed as well. There could well be genuine causes of concern over this government's performance in a couple of years, if it does not deliver. The pretense that communal clashes are a new thing in India and therefore we will do everything in our power to derail this government is disingenuous opportunism.

If communal clashes are not new then why are you worried and why would the investors be? Also, the pretense that all media outlets and the elite is in opposition's pocket sounds very bogus, isn't it?

brie wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kris wrote:
1) So, my post about Rajan and the potential for opportunities being forfeited was part of the parody theme or should be?

2) Yes, "Modi or no Modi" was stated in the context of potential investors beating a retreat if they see a high degree of dissension in the country's politics and with the opposition presenting visuals of a society that is in the middle of some cataclysm (as compared to the imagined utopia if it was up until last year). In other words, if Modi leaves, the investors are not going to rush back in, this damage is not going to be reversed that quickly. In the meantime, the conditions that make India palatable today may changed as well. There could well be genuine causes of concern over this government's performance in a couple of years, if it does not deliver. The pretense that communal clashes are a new thing in India and therefore we will do everything in our power to derail this government is disingenuous opportunism.

If communal clashes are not new then why are you worried and why would the investors be? Also, the pretense that all media outlets and the elite is in opposition's pocket sounds very bogus, isn't it?

kris never said that communal clashes will lead to flight of investor capital. that is your incorrect reading or misquoting. he said that communal clashes should not be used to stall parliament. why did you make an erroneous conclusion?

confuzzled dude wrote:

brie wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kris wrote:
1) So, my post about Rajan and the potential for opportunities being forfeited was part of the parody theme or should be?

2) Yes, "Modi or no Modi" was stated in the context of potential investors beating a retreat if they see a high degree of dissension in the country's politics and with the opposition presenting visuals of a society that is in the middle of some cataclysm (as compared to the imagined utopia if it was up until last year). In other words, if Modi leaves, the investors are not going to rush back in, this damage is not going to be reversed that quickly. In the meantime, the conditions that make India palatable today may changed as well. There could well be genuine causes of concern over this government's performance in a couple of years, if it does not deliver. The pretense that communal clashes are a new thing in India and therefore we will do everything in our power to derail this government is disingenuous opportunism.

If communal clashes are not new then why are you worried and why would the investors be? Also, the pretense that all media outlets and the elite is in opposition's pocket sounds very bogus, isn't it?

kris never said that communal clashes will lead to flight of investor capital. that is your incorrect reading or misquoting. he said that communal clashes should not be used to stall parliament. why did you make an erroneous conclusion?

Was that the reason used to stall the land acquisition bill?

confuzzled dude wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

brie wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kris wrote:
1) So, my post about Rajan and the potential for opportunities being forfeited was part of the parody theme or should be?

2) Yes, "Modi or no Modi" was stated in the context of potential investors beating a retreat if they see a high degree of dissension in the country's politics and with the opposition presenting visuals of a society that is in the middle of some cataclysm (as compared to the imagined utopia if it was up until last year). In other words, if Modi leaves, the investors are not going to rush back in, this damage is not going to be reversed that quickly. In the meantime, the conditions that make India palatable today may changed as well. There could well be genuine causes of concern over this government's performance in a couple of years, if it does not deliver. The pretense that communal clashes are a new thing in India and therefore we will do everything in our power to derail this government is disingenuous opportunism.

If communal clashes are not new then why are you worried and why would the investors be? Also, the pretense that all media outlets and the elite is in opposition's pocket sounds very bogus, isn't it?

kris never said that communal clashes will lead to flight of investor capital. that is your incorrect reading or misquoting. he said that communal clashes should not be used to stall parliament. why did you make an erroneous conclusion?

Was that the reason used to stall the land acquisition bill?

BTW, all these BJP fanboys speak as if FDI was the invention of Modiji. If communal clashes were/are the norm then they didn't stop India from growing in the last two and half decades, have they?why would they now? Let those anti-national-anti-hindu-elitist -english-media-jokers thump their chests, return their awards, titles and what not, those silly anti-national acts shouldn't deter investors, using communal-clashes-are-the-norm-we-all-grew-up-lynching-minorities logic, right?

Kris wrote: If the political civil war continues, the investors' response will be 'a pox on both your houses, we are outta here'. See Brie's post above which clarifies what I said. The flight of investor capital is related to a paralyzed government and not to India's social tensions which have existed forever. Just to further clarify, I am not making light of communal clashes and a fatalistic acceptance of them, just because they are not new. What I am taking issue is with a group disingenuously using this to de-facto paralyze a government. Of course, in their minds it may be all on the up and up and genuine, in which case we have a serious case of collective and selective amnesia.

Kris wrote:
>>You are starting with the false premise that the potential out there is the same as it was in the 80's or 90's. There is a confluence of events in global geopolitics and economics right now which makes India attractive (read my post up-thread on Europe/China) and which can capitalize on. That is a window of opportunity and it ain't going to last very long. This is the opportunity that Rajan is referring to and for India's to lose. If the political civil war continues, the investors' response will be 'a pox on both your houses, we are outta here'. See Brie's post above which clarifies what I said. The flight of investor capital is related to a paralyzed government and not to India's social tensions which have existed forever. Just to further clarify, I am not making light of communal clashes and a fatalistic acceptance of them, just because they are not new. What I am taking issue is with a group disingenuously using this to de-facto paralyze a government. Of course, in their minds it may be all on the up and up and genuine, in which case we have a serious case of collective and selective amnesia.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Kris wrote: If the political civil war continues, the investors' response will be 'a pox on both your houses, we are outta here'. See Brie's post above which clarifies what I said. The flight of investor capital is related to a paralyzed government and not to India's social tensions which have existed forever. Just to further clarify, I am not making light of communal clashes and a fatalistic acceptance of them, just because they are not new. What I am taking issue is with a group disingenuously using this to de-facto paralyze a government. Of course, in their minds it may be all on the up and up and genuine, in which case we have a serious case of collective and selective amnesia.

a war involves two parties. what will it take for modi to have said that lynching a man is unacceptable? on the one hand you say that you are worried about foreign capital drying up, and on the other you seem to imply that modi and the BJP govt should continue on an unyielding and unapologetic path.  you want a group of people who do not hold political power but have the power of the pen (or the keyboard) to back off and stop being critical of modi.  aren't you a big proponent of bowing to real politik? how realistic is it to expect that the press or other free agent journalists are going to back off? and if modi makes public pronouncements critical of communal violence, it may still not satisfy the journalists and the liberal press, but it sure as hell will calm the investment community.  why won't you support such a move? i am just flummoxed.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kris wrote:
>>You are starting with the false premise that the potential out there is the same as it was in the 80's or 90's. There is a confluence of events in global geopolitics and economics right now which makes India attractive (read my post up-thread on Europe/China) and which can capitalize on. That is a window of opportunity and it ain't going to last very long. This is the opportunity that Rajan is referring to and for India's to lose. If the political civil war continues, the investors' response will be 'a pox on both your houses, we are outta here'. See Brie's post above which clarifies what I said. The flight of investor capital is related to a paralyzed government and not to India's social tensions which have existed forever. Just to further clarify, I am not making light of communal clashes and a fatalistic acceptance of them, just because they are not new. What I am taking issue is with a group disingenuously using this to de-facto paralyze a government. Of course, in their minds it may be all on the up and up and genuine, in which case we have a serious case of collective and selective amnesia.

What do you think the opposition parties should do to grab this once in a Yuga opportunity, shine Modiji's shoes, help him button his coat, clean his bathrooms? Would that prevent paralyzation? What is the accountability of each side, Opposition 90% and Modi 10% or Modi 90% and opposition 10% or is it 50% each? What about the total failure of foreign policies of this govt? Is the opposition accountable for those gaffes as well?

Kris wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kris wrote:
>>You are starting with the false premise that the potential out there is the same as it was in the 80's or 90's. There is a confluence of events in global geopolitics and economics right now which makes India attractive (read my post up-thread on Europe/China) and which can capitalize on. That is a window of opportunity and it ain't going to last very long. This is the opportunity that Rajan is referring to and for India's to lose. If the political civil war continues, the investors' response will be 'a pox on both your houses, we are outta here'. See Brie's post above which clarifies what I said. The flight of investor capital is related to a paralyzed government and not to India's social tensions which have existed forever. Just to further clarify, I am not making light of communal clashes and a fatalistic acceptance of them, just because they are not new. What I am taking issue is with a group disingenuously using this to de-facto paralyze a government. Of course, in their minds it may be all on the up and up and genuine, in which case we have a serious case of collective and selective amnesia.

What do you think the opposition parties should do to grab this once in a Yuga opportunity, shine Modiji's shoes, help him button his coat, clean his bathrooms? Would that prevent paralyzation? What is the accountability of each side, Opposition 90% and Modi 10% or Modi 90% and opposition 10% or is it 50% each? What about the total failure of foreign policies of this govt? Is the opposition accountable for those gaffes as well?

>>>I can see we are getting nowhere with this, since the broader point about investor psychology in the face of a paralyzed government is either seen as peripheral or unimportant. Thanks for playing.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Kris wrote: If the political civil war continues, the investors' response will be 'a pox on both your houses, we are outta here'. See Brie's post above which clarifies what I said. The flight of investor capital is related to a paralyzed government and not to India's social tensions which have existed forever. Just to further clarify, I am not making light of communal clashes and a fatalistic acceptance of them, just because they are not new. What I am taking issue is with a group disingenuously using this to de-facto paralyze a government. Of course, in their minds it may be all on the up and up and genuine, in which case we have a serious case of collective and selective amnesia.

a war involves two parties. what will it take for modi to have said that lynching a man is unacceptable? on the one hand you say that you are worried about foreign capital drying up, and on the other you seem to imply that modi and the BJP govt should continue on an unyielding and unapologetic path.  you want a group of people who do not hold political power but have the power of the pen (or the keyboard) to back off and stop being critical of modi.  aren't you a big proponent of bowing to real politik? how realistic is it to expect that the press or other free agent journalists are going to back off? and if modi makes public pronouncements critical of communal violence, it may still not satisfy the journalists and the liberal press, but it sure as hell will calm the investment community.  why won't you support such a move? i am just flummoxed.

How many times would you like Modi to apologize/criticize the Dadri lynching ? once a day ? twice ? how come not ONE leader criticise UP CM - who is responsible for law & order? he made a statemeng and CPM said too little too late, and cong said not enough.

Simple it is Modi lynching. if he became a Christian or a Muslim hw will be instantly purified and secularised. So intolerant are the Cong(i) and secularists against the hindus.

Kris wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Kris wrote: If the political civil war continues, the investors' response will be 'a pox on both your houses, we are outta here'. See Brie's post above which clarifies what I said. The flight of investor capital is related to a paralyzed government and not to India's social tensions which have existed forever. Just to further clarify, I am not making light of communal clashes and a fatalistic acceptance of them, just because they are not new. What I am taking issue is with a group disingenuously using this to de-facto paralyze a government. Of course, in their minds it may be all on the up and up and genuine, in which case we have a serious case of collective and selective amnesia.

a war involves two parties. what will it take for modi to have said that lynching a man is unacceptable? on the one hand you say that you are worried about foreign capital drying up, and on the other you seem to imply that modi and the BJP govt should continue on an unyielding and unapologetic path.  you want a group of people who do not hold political power but have the power of the pen (or the keyboard) to back off and stop being critical of modi.  aren't you a big proponent of bowing to real politik? how realistic is it to expect that the press or other free agent journalists are going to back off? and if modi makes public pronouncements critical of communal violence, it may still not satisfy the journalists and the liberal press, but it sure as hell will calm the investment community.  why won't you support such a move? i am just flummoxed.

How many times would you like Modi to apologize/criticize the Dadri lynching ? once a day ? twice ? how come not ONE leader criticise UP CM - who is responsible for law & order? he made a statemeng and CPM said too little too late, and cong said not enough.

Simple it is Modi lynching. if he became a Christian or a Muslim hw will be instantly purified and secularised. So intolerant are the Cong(i) and secularists against the hindus.

>>>He can apologize till the cows (oops- no pun intended!) come home, it won't make a whit of difference.The idea is not to elicit an apology from him that will assuage, but rather to mount an offensive on this basis to paralyze. Otherwise, the outrage won't be this selective. At the end of the day, the investors won't give a crap about the communal clashes or the apologies, but rather will want to see a government that functions that is conducive to business. Money is amoral that way. Political chicanery is not new and the current opposition admittedly does not have a monopoly on it. The only difference is that this time the stakes could be high i.e. opportunity cost and any victory could end up being a pyrrhic one. As I've said before, communal clashes are not an issue to be made light of. They should be dealt with using a straightforward 'law and order' approach, regardless of who the culprit is and who the victim  (and who the government) is. It is however sanctimonious,and not to mention hypocritical, for the current opposition to pretend this is a new development.

Kris wrote:
>>>He can apologize till the cows (oops- no pun intended!) come home, it won't make a whit of difference.The idea is not to elicit an apology from him that will assuage, but rather to mount an offensive on this basis to paralyze. Otherwise, the outrage won't be this selective. At the end of the day, the investors won't give a crap about the communal clashes or the apologies, but rather will want to see a government that functions that is conducive to business. Money is amoral that way. Political chicanery is not new and the current opposition admittedly does not have a monopoly on it. The only difference is that this time the stakes could be high i.e. opportunity cost and any victory could end up being a pyrrhic one. As I've said before, communal clashes are not an issue to be made light of. They should be dealt with using a straightforward 'law and order' approach, regardless of who the culprit is and who the victim  (and who the government) is. It is however sanctimonious,and not to mention hypocritical, for the current opposition to pretend this is a new development.

Kris wrote:It is however sanctimonious,and not to mention hypocritical, for the current opposition to pretend this is a new development.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kris wrote:
>>>He can apologize till the cows (oops- no pun intended!) come home, it won't make a whit of difference.The idea is not to elicit an apology from him that will assuage, but rather to mount an offensive on this basis to paralyze. Otherwise, the outrage won't be this selective. At the end of the day, the investors won't give a crap about the communal clashes or the apologies, but rather will want to see a government that functions that is conducive to business. Money is amoral that way. Political chicanery is not new and the current opposition admittedly does not have a monopoly on it. The only difference is that this time the stakes could be high i.e. opportunity cost and any victory could end up being a pyrrhic one. As I've said before, communal clashes are not an issue to be made light of. They should be dealt with using a straightforward 'law and order' approach, regardless of who the culprit is and who the victim  (and who the government) is. It is however sanctimonious,and not to mention hypocritical, for the current opposition to pretend this is a new development.

I fail to understand this hype?! What exactly are those HIGH stakes? Is kalyug (all bad things are) coming to an end ? Is India going to lose the chance of turning into the most advanced country should it fail to take advantage of this once in a millennia opportunity?  Please enlighten ignoramuses(es) like me. I've heard very similar arguments as to how the state bifurcation was halting Hyderabad growth and is bad for the future of Hyderabad. I'm yet to see evidence of those claims.

confuzzled dude wrote:Rajan is apara-viswakarma now! Do you guys see the irony in your argument? On one hand you don't seem to agree with his notion of intolerance or trying hard to twist it as a fault of critics, otoh you see no issue with the govts inabili to reach out acros the aisle , per you it is everyone's fault but this administration's. Wonderful logic

brie wrote:what rajan said, loosely (rest is my construct), was -

china is imploding. this is a wonderful opportunity for india. europe and bric are imploding (save india in bric because india did not and does not thrive on export of commodities like others like brazil did or still does and oz did or still does or russia did or still does). the global investor-wealth-pool is looking for avenues and has its sight set firmly on india now regardless of modi or cow issues. they have zeroed in already. excellent! this is the perfect time for us to hang the mosquito repellent tube and drive them away. why? because such opportunities come every five years for the universe's life cycle starts from the beginning of every general election in india!

brie wrote:what rajan said, loosely (rest is my construct), was -

china is imploding. this is a wonderful opportunity for india. europe and bric are imploding (save india in bric because india did not and does not thrive on export of commodities like others like brazil did or still does and oz did or still does or russia did or still does). the global investor-wealth-pool is looking for avenues and has its sight set firmly on india now regardless of modi or cow issues. they have zeroed in already. excellent! this is the perfect time for us to hang the mosquito repellent tube and drive them away. why? because such opportunities come every five years for the universe's life cycle starts from the beginning of every general election in india!

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:kris and others who think modi doesn't need to make any public statements about communal violence -- you can't be that concerned about india losing the economic advantages of foreign investments.

brie wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:Rajan is apara-viswakarma now! Do you guys see the irony in your argument? On one hand you don't seem to agree with his notion of intolerance or trying hard to twist it as a fault of critics, otoh you see no issue with the govts inabili to reach out acros the aisle , per you it is everyone's fault but this administration's. Wonderful logic

who is not agreeing with his notion of intolerance? neither kris nor i are condoning the attacks related to cows. but what you are repeatedly engaging in is this:

kris & me -- hey we just finished designs to build a probe to mars! budget... rs 500 crores -- world's cheapest! 
CD - yeah right! what about the hungry and poor in india? how many can that much money feed? ever spared a thought you insensitive people?

confuzzled dude wrote:

brie wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:Rajan is apara-viswakarma now! Do you guys see the irony in your argument? On one hand you don't seem to agree with his notion of intolerance or trying hard to twist it as a fault of critics, otoh you see no issue with the govts inabili to reach out acros the aisle , per you it is everyone's fault but this administration's. Wonderful logic

who is not agreeing with his notion of intolerance? neither kris nor i are condoning the attacks related to cows. but what you are repeatedly engaging in is this:

kris & me -- hey we just finished designs to build a probe to mars! budget... rs 500 crores -- world's cheapest! 
CD - yeah right! what about the hungry and poor in india? how many can that much money feed? ever spared a thought you insensitive people?

I  don't think I implied that anywhere in this thread. UPA 1 took office under similar global economic outlook and they've succeed in making most of it. When a coalition govt could do that why this administration which has majority is finding it difficult?