racism in india again... 4th violent incident in 8 months

brie wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:kris and others who think modi doesn't need to make any public statements about communal violence -- you can't be that concerned about india losing the economic advantages of foreign investments.

*gasp* doctor max entropy man. modi has regretted the incidents in public (PUBLIC STATEMENTS!). what exactly will make you happy? policing is state subject. a fella died in j&k 'cos over cow issues. what has the mufti govt. done? mufti's actions should be beholden as exemplary justice meted to sinners! what has dadri mulayam done? what do you want modi to do? allow cow slaughter at a union level? he cannot. it is a state subject. why are you so misinformed? i am flummoxed!

brie wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

brie wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:Rajan is apara-viswakarma now! Do you guys see the irony in your argument? On one hand you don't seem to agree with his notion of intolerance or trying hard to twist it as a fault of critics, otoh you see no issue with the govts inabili to reach out acros the aisle , per you it is everyone's fault but this administration's. Wonderful logic

who is not agreeing with his notion of intolerance? neither kris nor i are condoning the attacks related to cows. but what you are repeatedly engaging in is this:

kris & me -- hey we just finished designs to build a probe to mars! budget... rs 500 crores -- world's cheapest! 
CD - yeah right! what about the hungry and poor in india? how many can that much money feed? ever spared a thought you insensitive people?

I  don't think I implied that anywhere in this thread. UPA 1 took office under similar global economic outlook and they've succeed in making most of it. When a coalition govt could do that why this administration which has majority is finding it difficult?

because bjp, the party, got a resounding verdict by the people of india and not nda. if you have any modicum of respect --if you are animal, creature, living thing --  then you should respect the verdict of the voters (as rajan and mukherjee said). if you are a politician or an armchair supporter of a party then we cannot expect any respect from you.

confuzzled dude wrote:

brie wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:kris and others who think modi doesn't need to make any public statements about communal violence -- you can't be that concerned about india losing the economic advantages of foreign investments.

*gasp* doctor max entropy man. modi has regretted the incidents in public (PUBLIC STATEMENTS!). what exactly will make you happy? policing is state subject. a fella died in j&k 'cos over cow issues. what has the mufti govt. done? mufti's actions should be beholden as exemplary justice meted to sinners! what has dadri mulayam done? what do you want modi to do? allow cow slaughter at a union level? he cannot. it is a state subject. why are you so misinformed? i am flummoxed!

It is just not a cow issue, like I said in another thread, it starts all the way from love jihad, ghar wapsi and a host of similar stuff. At least half a dozen of elected leaders from BJP made comments that contributed to these issues, what did this administration do to build country's confidence in their administration?

brie wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

brie wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:kris and others who think modi doesn't need to make any public statements about communal violence -- you can't be that concerned about india losing the economic advantages of foreign investments.

*gasp* doctor max entropy man. modi has regretted the incidents in public (PUBLIC STATEMENTS!). what exactly will make you happy? policing is state subject. a fella died in j&k 'cos over cow issues. what has the mufti govt. done? mufti's actions should be beholden as exemplary justice meted to sinners! what has dadri mulayam done? what do you want modi to do? allow cow slaughter at a union level? he cannot. it is a state subject. why are you so misinformed? i am flummoxed!

It is just not a cow issue, like I said in another thread, it starts all the way from love jihad, ghar wapsi and a host of similar stuff. At least half a dozen of elected leaders from BJP made comments that contributed to these issues, what did this administration do to build country's confidence in their administration?

aaaah, there are other issues too that you have not listed. namely,

- why do i still have dengue in my neighbourhood;
- why does ketchup not taste the way it used to ten years ago?

these issues are more important than giving effect to a the design of a mars probe that costs a few crores.

the more i argue with you, the more i will be pulled into a downward spiral of a circular, non sequitur rhetoric, till we hit the bottom of the abyss that has no bottom.

confuzzled dude wrote:

brie wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

brie wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:Rajan is apara-viswakarma now! Do you guys see the irony in your argument? On one hand you don't seem to agree with his notion of intolerance or trying hard to twist it as a fault of critics, otoh you see no issue with the govts inabili to reach out acros the aisle , per you it is everyone's fault but this administration's. Wonderful logic

who is not agreeing with his notion of intolerance? neither kris nor i are condoning the attacks related to cows. but what you are repeatedly engaging in is this:

kris & me -- hey we just finished designs to build a probe to mars! budget... rs 500 crores -- world's cheapest! 
CD - yeah right! what about the hungry and poor in india? how many can that much money feed? ever spared a thought you insensitive people?

I  don't think I implied that anywhere in this thread. UPA 1 took office under similar global economic outlook and they've succeed in making most of it. When a coalition govt could do that why this administration which has majority is finding it difficult?

because bjp, the party, got a resounding verdict by the people of india and not nda. if you have any modicum of respect --if you are animal, creature, living thing --  then you should respect the verdict of the voters (as rajan and mukherjee said). if you are a politician or an armchair supporter of a party then we cannot expect any respect from you.

So, all those who are protesting, are not voters? They've no right to voice their opinions on what they see is not right?

confuzzled dude wrote:

brie wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

brie wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:kris and others who think modi doesn't need to make any public statements about communal violence -- you can't be that concerned about india losing the economic advantages of foreign investments.

*gasp* doctor max entropy man. modi has regretted the incidents in public (PUBLIC STATEMENTS!). what exactly will make you happy? policing is state subject. a fella died in j&k 'cos over cow issues. what has the mufti govt. done? mufti's actions should be beholden as exemplary justice meted to sinners! what has dadri mulayam done? what do you want modi to do? allow cow slaughter at a union level? he cannot. it is a state subject. why are you so misinformed? i am flummoxed!

It is just not a cow issue, like I said in another thread, it starts all the way from love jihad, ghar wapsi and a host of similar stuff. At least half a dozen of elected leaders from BJP made comments that contributed to these issues, what did this administration do to build country's confidence in their administration?

aaaah, there are other issues too that you have not listed. namely,

- why do i still have dengue in my neighbourhood;
- why does ketchup not taste the way it used to ten years ago?

these issues are more important than giving effect to a the design of a mars probe that costs a few crores.

the more i argue with you, the more i will be pulled into a downward spiral of a circular, non sequitur rhetoric, till we hit the bottom of the abyss that has no bottom.

Get off of that self-appointed pedestal, will ya. It is no surprise that you have stayed away from my questions about the modus operandi of this administration.

brie wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

brie wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:kris and others who think modi doesn't need to make any public statements about communal violence -- you can't be that concerned about india losing the economic advantages of foreign investments.

*gasp* doctor max entropy man. modi has regretted the incidents in public (PUBLIC STATEMENTS!). what exactly will make you happy? policing is state subject. a fella died in j&k 'cos over cow issues. what has the mufti govt. done? mufti's actions should be beholden as exemplary justice meted to sinners! what has dadri mulayam done? what do you want modi to do? allow cow slaughter at a union level? he cannot. it is a state subject. why are you so misinformed? i am flummoxed!

It is just not a cow issue, like I said in another thread, it starts all the way from love jihad, ghar wapsi and a host of similar stuff. At least half a dozen of elected leaders from BJP made comments that contributed to these issues, what did this administration do to build country's confidence in their administration?

aaaah, there are other issues too that you have not listed. namely,

- why do i still have dengue in my neighbourhood;
- why does ketchup not taste the way it used to ten years ago?

these issues are more important than giving effect to a the design of a mars probe that costs a few crores.

the more i argue with you, the more i will be pulled into a downward spiral of a circular, non sequitur rhetoric, till we hit the bottom of the abyss that has no bottom.

Propagandhi711 wrote:and oh, the guys that think external capital will not find it's way to india coz of some communal shit are deluded. capital is a coldblooded animal that only cares for return, not your pet social outrages

brie wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

brie wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

brie wrote:
who is not agreeing with his notion of intolerance? neither kris nor i are condoning the attacks related to cows. but what you are repeatedly engaging in is this:

kris & me -- hey we just finished designs to build a probe to mars! budget... rs 500 crores -- world's cheapest! 
CD - yeah right! what about the hungry and poor in india? how many can that much money feed? ever spared a thought you insensitive people?

I  don't think I implied that anywhere in this thread. UPA 1 took office under similar global economic outlook and they've succeed in making most of it. When a coalition govt could do that why this administration which has majority is finding it difficult?

because bjp, the party, got a resounding verdict by the people of india and not nda. if you have any modicum of respect --if you are animal, creature, living thing --  then you should respect the verdict of the voters (as rajan and mukherjee said). if you are a politician or an armchair supporter of a party then we cannot expect any respect from you.

So, all those who are protesting, are not voters? They've no right to voice their opinions on what they see is not right?

protest all you like. hit nyt, front page, with voices and words. where did i say no?

Given the heavy legislative agenda, Prime Minister Narendra Modi would do well to walk the extra mile to get the Opposition to work with him. Without this, the next few Parliament sessions could well be a washout, and there will be little question of either the GST or the bankruptcy law getting through – the latter is critical to help banks recover dodgy loans. If Modi does not get the Opposition to work with him, the chances of being isolated again as in Bihar will also increase. Even if you leave aside the Opposition clamour to get Modi to sack ministers who added to communal tension, there is plenty of common ground for reforms. On GST, now that the government has agreed to full compensation to states, it should accept the Congress demand to scrap the 1% tax on inter-state sales – this was, after all, introduced to placate states who feared a loss of revenues post-GST.

But even without legislative support, there is plenty for the BJP to do should it decide to push on the reforms agenda. Unifying central excise and service tax into a central GST requires no legislative approval, but will serve as a template for the eventual national GST. A central GST will, for instance, force the government to come out with a workable threshold for taxation where there is no revenue loss while keeping as many firms as possible away from the inspector raj – the threshold for excise is a turnover of Rs 1.5 crore while that for service tax is Rs 10 lakh; working out a revenue-neutral-rate will also save time when the national GST is rolled out. Similarly, working on making the taxman less trigger happy and burying legacy cases doesn’t require the Opposition’s cooperation – Modi did well to announce, last week, that he planned to include the success rate of tax officials in their appraisal; judging officials on this yardstick will dissuade them from issuing high-value tax notices for the sake of doing so. The power reforms announced last week involved very rigorous monitoring, but only by the executive; ditto for increasing capital expenditure on roads and railways, for pushing defence contracts, getting BJP-ruled states to pass friendly labour and land laws … How the government reacts depends on whether it sees the Bihar defeat as purely the arithmetical result of a Nitish Kumar and a Lalu Yadav tying up or whether it sees this as a compelling reason for it to have a solid jobs- and growth-based counter-narrative.

Modi has argued for the far-reaching economic reform India needs. The country could and should be growing faster, and the way to help it along is to roll back more of the government's suffocating interference. After his sweeping election victory last year, Modi was in a position to quickly bring radical change. He chose instead to take his time and move incrementally. Now his opportunity is all but lost.

Ahead of the election in Bihar, Modi chose not to renew a land-reform order, opposed by farmers, that would have made it easier for investors to acquire land. He also backed away from a national sales tax that opposition members of parliament resisted. But these concessions accomplished nothing. Modi's triumphant opponents only found themselves getting the upper hand.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Propagandhi711 wrote:and oh, the guys that think external capital will not find it's way to india coz of some communal shit are deluded. capital is a coldblooded animal that only cares for return, not your pet social outrages

kris realpolitik is the one who raised the alarm in this thread.

confuzzled dude wrote:This editorial pretty much echoes my view(s) i.e. "Build Consensus". Hopefully, this will help those who have been blaming & holding the opposition [solely] responsible for lack of reforms, understand the issues better.

Given the heavy legislative agenda, Prime Minister Narendra Modi would do well to walk the extra mile to get the Opposition to work with him. Without this, the next few Parliament sessions could well be a washout, and there will be little question of either the GST or the bankruptcy law getting through – the latter is critical to help banks recover dodgy loans. If Modi does not get the Opposition to work with him, the chances of being isolated again as in Bihar will also increase. Even if you leave aside the Opposition clamour to get Modi to sack ministers who added to communal tension, there is plenty of common ground for reforms. On GST, now that the government has agreed to full compensation to states, it should accept the Congress demand to scrap the 1% tax on inter-state sales – this was, after all, introduced to placate states who feared a loss of revenues post-GST.

But even without legislative support, there is plenty for the BJP to do should it decide to push on the reforms agenda. Unifying central excise and service tax into a central GST requires no legislative approval, but will serve as a template for the eventual national GST. A central GST will, for instance, force the government to come out with a workable threshold for taxation where there is no revenue loss while keeping as many firms as possible away from the inspector raj – the threshold for excise is a turnover of Rs 1.5 crore while that for service tax is Rs 10 lakh; working out a revenue-neutral-rate will also save time when the national GST is rolled out. Similarly, working on making the taxman less trigger happy and burying legacy cases doesn’t require the Opposition’s cooperation – Modi did well to announce, last week, that he planned to include the success rate of tax officials in their appraisal; judging officials on this yardstick will dissuade them from issuing high-value tax notices for the sake of doing so. The power reforms announced last week involved very rigorous monitoring, but only by the executive; ditto for increasing capital expenditure on roads and railways, for pushing defence contracts, getting BJP-ruled states to pass friendly labour and land laws … How the government reacts depends on whether it sees the Bihar defeat as purely the arithmetical result of a Nitish Kumar and a Lalu Yadav tying up or whether it sees this as a compelling reason for it to have a solid jobs- and growth-based counter-narrative.

http://www.financialexpress.com/article/fe-columnist/post-bihar-reforms-road-work-with-opposition-but-can-do-lots-without-it-also/163608/

brie wrote:it is very tough to do business in india.  first the govt. will throw all spanners in your works when you attempt to start an enterprise (pf, esi, factory act, green act, trade license, profession tax, municipal sanction or industrial park sanction or restrictions on permissible built up area, fire and safety dept. approval.... litany... no one-window clearance).  if you succeed, they will do everything to make sure you don't make profits (we have among the highest corporate tax in asean and only 3% of india pays direct taxes).  then when you fail and try to wind-up your company, the govt. will make it impossible for you to wind-up (can't liquidate company in india without high court proceedings... you can only unregister with ROC).

brie wrote:
he writes: Given the heavy legislative agenda, Prime Minister Narendra Modi would do well to walk the extra mile to get the Opposition to work with him.

my response: the bjp, the party, got the mandate of the nation, not a coalition like nda or upa. it has the MAHAGATBANDHAN up against it with kejri, cpim and mamata pouring scorn from the sidelines. and here you have columists like this idiot dispensing advice like -- you are sitting in the middle of an ocean dammit! take a sip and quench your thirst... how hard is that? 

why should bills require rajya sabha approval where most members are nominated and actors, actresses and nautch girls? bjp is done in by this flaw in the constitution.

confuzzled dude wrote:

brie wrote:
he writes: Given the heavy legislative agenda, Prime Minister Narendra Modi would do well to walk the extra mile to get the Opposition to work with him.

my response: the bjp, the party, got the mandate of the nation, not a coalition like nda or upa. it has the MAHAGATBANDHAN up against it with kejri, cpim and mamata pouring scorn from the sidelines. and here you have columists like this idiot dispensing advice like -- you are sitting in the middle of an ocean dammit! take a sip and quench your thirst... how hard is that? 

why should bills require rajya sabha approval where most members are nominated and actors, actresses and nautch girls? bjp is done in by this flaw in the constitution.

I'm not sure what you point was. In any case, for all Modiji's want to be called "a Reagan like", "a Thatcher like", he has to prove that he is one, and can work with the opposition and get things done, like they have (& Bil Clinton has) done.

brie wrote: let him get to work. hope he realizes, after the bihar loss, that he should get back to the business of "development" for which he was given mandate instead of frittering away valuable time holding election rallies.