some Hindi actors, actresses and cricketrs oppose ancient Tamil sport. Who the hell are these foreigners to interfere in Tamil traditions?

by Kayalvizhi Wed Dec 16, 2015 9:44 pm

some Hindi actors, actresses and cricketrs oppose ancient Tamil sport Manju Virattu. Who the hell are these foreigners to interfere in Tamil traditions?
Another Hindian to poke her nose is Menaka Gandhi

These busybodies views have already been countered 6 months ago
http://www.tamiltribune.com/15/0401.html

by Guest Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:07 pm

Supreme Court Bans Jallikattu, Bull Races and Bullfights
Written by PETA

Posted 05-07-2014, 04:07 PM | 427 Comments
Today, the Honourable Supreme Court of India passed a landmark judgment in favour of PETA India and the government body the Animal Welfare Board of India (AWBI) clarifying that bulls must not be used in jallikattu, bull races, bullfights or any other type of performance. PETA was represented in court by leading counsel Raj Panjwani.

PETA has vigorously campaigned against the use of bulls in these cruel events. The group’s investigators have found that terrified bulls are deliberately disoriented, have their tails twisted and bitten and are stabbed, punched, jumped on and dragged to the ground. During races, bulls are often hit with nail-studded sticks. In bullfights, the round ends when one of the bulls is either killed or manages to flee. PETA’s campaign to end this abuse was vocally supported by legendary actors Hema Malini and John Abraham, who both wrote to the Ministry of Environment and Forests (MoEF) calling for jallikattu to be stopped.

Although the MoEF issued a notification in 2011 that banned the use of bulls as performing animals,thereby banning jallikattu, bull races and bullfights, these spectacles were still permitted to be held. Now, the Supreme Court has made clear that this notification must be upheld. It also struck down the Tamil Nadu Regulation of Jallikattu Act No 27 of 2009, a state law that permitted jallikattu.The Supreme Court also noted that the penalties for cruelty to animals under The Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act, 1960, are weak and that the act requires an update. The AWBI had formulated a draft Animal Welfare Act, 2011, to strengthen the law, but this draft has yet to be passed.

You can help pass the draft Animal Welfare Act, 2011.

http://www.petaindia.com/blog/sc-bans-jallikattu-bull-races-fights/

by Kayalvizhi Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:44 pm

We do not accept a foreign court's jurisdiction over internal affairs of the Tamil country

by Guest Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:53 pm

Kayalvizhi wrote:We do not accept a foreign court's jurisdiction over internal affairs of the Tamil country

not even if the presiding judge is an Indian Tamil? I bet you would want Sri Lankan Tamil judges to judge legal proceedings about Indian Tamils. The whole world knows that you and Thanjai Nalankilli are Sri Lankan Tamils. Don't worry, Sri Lanka will become a part of India one day.

by goodcitizn Thu Dec 17, 2015 12:04 pm

Kayalvizhi wrote:We do not accept a foreign court's jurisdiction over internal affairs of the Tamil country

It's a stupid and cruel sport, if it even qualifies to be called a sport. These villagers are better of sticking to sadugudu/kabadi, leaving these poor beasts of burden well the heck alone. Tamil tradition, my foot!

by Kayalvizhi Thu Dec 17, 2015 6:25 pm

Ypu are talking out of ignorance just reading some newspapers who do not know anything about Manju Virattu. Have you evcer seen thw event? I have.

Read this http://www.tamiltribune.com/15/0401.html

by seven Thu Dec 17, 2015 7:22 pm

If you open tamil taribnue (spelled wrong on purpose), you'll be on CIA's watchlist within 24hrs.

You have been warned.

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:04 pm

Kayalvizhi wrote:some Hindi actors, actresses and cricketrs oppose ancient Tamil sport Manju Virattu. Who the hell are these foreigners to interfere in Tamil traditions?
Another Hindian to poke her nose is Menaka Gandhi

These busybodies views have already been countered 6 months ago
http://www.tamiltribune.com/15/0401.html

Such cruelty towards animals is disgusting! How is butcher Prabhakaran coping with the hot Hindian burning oil?

by goodcitizn Fri Dec 18, 2015 11:17 am

Kayalvizhi wrote:Ypu are talking out of ignorance just reading some newspapers who do not know anything about Manju Virattu. Have you evcer seen thw event? I have.

Read this http://www.tamiltribune.com/15/0401.html

Don't slight people who don't agree with you as those talking out of ignorance. I grew up in Madurai, the district being the heart of jallikattu each pongal. I have seen the ill treatment of bulls and the injuries of people first hand so I know what I am talking about. Your problem is the lack of any original thought except what you find in Tamil Tribune.

In the link you gave above, it says that the deaths or injuries resulting from jallikattu are no different from those in boxing or racecar driving. It's a stupid comparison. Unlike boxers and racecar drivers who enter into these contests on their own volition, show me one bull that hitched up its tail and signed on the papers to participate in jallikattu.

Anything traditional is not always something that merits continued practice. If jallikattu is mentioned in Sangam Literature so is sati (உடன்கட்டை ஏறுதல்). Show me how many Tamil widows today are ready to jump into the funeral pyre of their husbands?

When the government or the court system calls for a ban on jallikattu, you immediately call it a Hindian interferece to Tamilian tradition. You don't for a second consider that PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) has every reason to call for the abolition of this cruel practice. In this instance both Tamil Tribune and you are dead wrong.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Fri Dec 18, 2015 1:38 pm

goodcitizn wrote:
Kayalvizhi wrote:Ypu are talking out of ignorance just reading some newspapers who do not know anything about Manju Virattu. Have you evcer seen thw event? I have.

Read this http://www.tamiltribune.com/15/0401.html

Don't slight people who don't agree with you as those talking out of ignorance. I grew up in Madurai, the district being the heart of jallikattu each pongal. I have seen the ill treatment of bulls and the injuries of people first hand so I know what I am talking about. Your problem is the lack of any original thought except what you find in Tamil Tribune.

In the link you gave above, it says that the deaths or injuries resulting from jallikattu are no different from those in boxing or racecar driving. It's a stupid comparison. Unlike boxers and racecar drivers who enter into these contests on their own volition, show me one bull that hitched up its tail and signed on the papers to participate in jallikattu.

Anything traditional is not always something that merits continued practice. If jallikattu is mentioned in Sangam Literature so is sati (உடன்கட்டை ஏறுதல்). Show me how many Tamil widows today are ready to jump into the funeral pyre of their husbands?

When the government or the court system calls for a ban on jallikattu, you immediately call it a Hindian interferece to Tamilian tradition. You don't for a second consider that PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) has every reason to call for the abolition of this cruel practice. In this instance both Tamil Tribune and you are dead wrong.

You are talking to a person who worships an organization whose leader recruited children into his cadre and sent them out as fodder - while he was hiding underground all the time.

by southindian Fri Dec 18, 2015 2:18 pm

Kayalvizhi wrote:some Hindi actors, actresses and cricketrs oppose ancient Tamil sport Manju Virattu. Who the hell are these foreigners to interfere in Tamil traditions?
Another Hindian to poke her nose is Menaka Gandhi

These busybodies views have already been countered 6 months ago
http://www.tamiltribune.com/15/0401.html

ROTFL

Good to know a foreigner from Canada, USA can still do this... while Indians in India can't.

BTW, what are you talking about?

Explain in plain American please...

lol!

by Kayalvizhi Fri Dec 18, 2015 8:19 pm

goodcitizn wrote:
Kayalvizhi wrote:Ypu are talking out of ignorance just reading some newspapers who do not know anything about Manju Virattu. Have you evcer seen thw event? I have.

Read this http://www.tamiltribune.com/15/0401.html

In the link you gave above, it says that the deaths or injuries resulting from jallikattu are no different from those in boxing or racecar driving. It's a stupid comparison. Unlike boxers and racecar drivers who enter into these contests on their own volition, show me one bull that hitched up its tail and signed on the papers to participate in jallikattu.

You obvioiusly read the Tamil Tribune article. Either you ignore certain parts or difficulty understanding it. Here are some excerpts for the benefit of others.
Jallikattu is not bull fighting. It is bull cuddling or bull holding (eruthazhuvuthal means bull cuddling.) In one form of jallikattu unarmed men try hold onto the bull as long as they can. In another form unarmed men try to take garlands tied to the bull's horns.
The fact of the matter is that bulls are not harmed at all unlike in Spanish bull fighting. In fact bulls are very seldom, if ever injured, although the unarmed men at times get injured (they went into the arena knowing the risks as in wrestling or boxing or auto racing).

What particularly irritates this writer is a statement made by Ms. Maneka Gandhi. Indian Government Minister for Women and Child Development. She said, "Jallikattu tradition is western culture and BJP is against it." (The Hindu newspaper; January 17, 2015).

Eruthazhuvuthal (manju viraṭṭu, jallikattu) dates back to at least 2000 years and is not "imported" from western countries. This north-Indian minister seems to know nothing about Tamil culture or history, but is in a position, as Indian government minister, to decide on cultural and traditional matters in Tamil Nadu.

Manju virattu dates back to the days of the Third Tamil Academy (Third Tamil Sangam) that was some 2000 years ago. A seal from the Indus Valley Civilization depicting the sport is preserved in the National Museum, New Delhi. A painting, estimated to be about 1,500 years old, discovered in a cave near Madurai, shows a man trying to control a bull.

by goodcitizn Sat Dec 19, 2015 10:33 am

Kayalvizhi wrote:
goodcitizn wrote:
Kayalvizhi wrote:Ypu are talking out of ignorance just reading some newspapers who do not know anything about Manju Virattu. Have you evcer seen thw event? I have.

Read this http://www.tamiltribune.com/15/0401.html

In the link you gave above, it says that the deaths or injuries resulting from jallikattu are no different from those in boxing or racecar driving. It's a stupid comparison. Unlike boxers and racecar drivers who enter into these contests on their own volition, show me one bull that hitched up its tail and signed on the papers to participate in jallikattu.

You obvioiusly read the Tamil Tribune article. Either you ignore certain parts or difficulty understanding it. Here are some excerpts for the benefit of others.
Jallikattu is not bull fighting. It is bull cuddling or bull holding (eruthazhuvuthal means bull cuddling.) In one form of jallikattu unarmed men try hold onto the bull as long as they can. In another form unarmed men try to take garlands tied to the bull's horns.
The fact of the matter is that bulls are not harmed at all unlike in Spanish bull fighting. In fact bulls are very seldom, if ever injured, although the unarmed men at times get injured (they went into the arena knowing the risks as in wrestling or boxing or auto racing).

What particularly irritates this writer is a statement made by Ms. Maneka Gandhi. Indian Government Minister for Women and Child Development. She said, "Jallikattu tradition is western culture and BJP is against it." (The Hindu newspaper; January 17, 2015).

Eruthazhuvuthal (manju viraṭṭu, jallikattu) dates back to at least 2000 years and is not "imported" from western countries. This north-Indian minister seems to know nothing about Tamil culture or history, but is in a position, as Indian government minister, to decide on cultural and traditional matters in Tamil Nadu.

Manju virattu dates back to the days of the Third Tamil Academy (Third Tamil Sangam) that was some 2000 years ago. A seal from the Indus Valley Civilization depicting the sport is preserved in the National Museum, New Delhi. A painting, estimated to be about 1,500 years old, discovered in a cave near Madurai, shows a man trying to control a bull.

Obviously you don't read anything outside of Tamil Tribune. A lot of Tamilians like me oppose jallikattu; Blue Cross of Tamil Nadu, SPCA, SPEA, Green Peace etc organizations want this cruel tradition stopped. So this is not just a Hindian thing.

Okay, it is not an imported culture and Maneka Gandhi is wrong. That doesn't make the practice right. You can rationalize it as hugging a bull, not spearing a bull, but the fact is that the bulls are driven to a state of agitation by giving them alcohol, beating them with thorny sticks and with crowd noise prior to the ride so they are both frightened and aggressive resorting to goring bystanders and stampeding. Show me one event that didn't involve deaths or injuries.

While the media is told that the organizers will use double barricades and have vets inspect the bulls for alcohol or abuse prior to the event, most villages don't have the money or resources to ensure that let alone have hospitals within range.

Unfortunately it is a waste of my time to make you see the light of reason since whatever TT says is gospel to you.

by Kayalvizhi Sat Dec 19, 2015 11:55 am

As you admit yourself, there arre laws to protect bulls and spectators.

Prosecute the law breakers and not ban the trditional sport.

Olympic athlets use illegal drughs. they are prosecuted, olympics is not banned.

Bystnders die at air shows, car races, these event are not bamnned but new laws written and enforced.

by seven Sat Dec 19, 2015 1:32 pm

Kayalvizhi wrote:As you admit yourself, there arre laws to protect bulls and spectators.

Prosecute the law breakers and not ban the trditional sport.

Olympic athlets use illegal drughs. they are prosecuted, olympics is not banned.

Bystnders die at air shows, car races, these event are not bamnned but new laws written and enforced.

Like GC said, it's a waste of time.

by southindian Sat Dec 19, 2015 3:57 pm

Kayalvizhi wrote:As you admit yourself, there arre laws to protect bulls and spectators.

Prosecute the law breakers and not ban the trditional sport.

Olympic athlets use illegal drughs. they are prosecuted, olympics is not banned.

Bystnders die at air shows, car races, these event are not bamnned but new laws written and enforced.

You are such a waste of life.

by Kayalvizhi Sat Dec 26, 2015 9:29 pm

a very interesting article
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/tamil-nadu/jallikattu-part-and-parcel-of-the-tamil-tradition/article8031266.ece

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