Chola Kings and Vadama brahmins vs Choliya brahmins in Tamil Nadu

The vadama brahmins are those brahmins who came from North long back, and they enjoyed more power in Chola kingdom than the choliya brahmins who already lived there. The Choliya brahmins were called as Tamil Brahmins.  There is no matrimonial alliance b/w the vadama and tamil brahmins, eventhough both are smarthas.  The vadama consider themselves as superior than choliya brahmins and wont allow them inside their houses. The religious rites for the deceased (like Thithi, etc) was attended mostly by the tamil brahmins, whereas the vadama do the more lucrative yaga and yagnyas for the royals.  Because of this, the choliya brahmins, who do such low end jobs are NOT respected. He said, that those who do homams earn a lot, but those who do rites for the deceased, do not earn much.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:My family is a complete mixture of many subcashtus. Those two aren't the only subsects. There are many more. There are vathimas (a corruption of the term pathineNmar -- those hailing from a group of 18 villages in the Thanjavur district), Ashta sahasram, BrihacharaNam and so on. The point is historically they may have been from different places, but they are undoubtedly Tamilians.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:There is an interesting turn of phrase associated with the Chozhiyan Brahmins. When someone is doing something suspiciously altruistic (presumably in the hope receiving a benefit to oneself)  we sometimes say 'Chozhiyan kudumi chumma AdAthu'. The literal meaning of that is a Chozhiyan's tuft doesn't wiggle without reason.

silvermani wrote:I remember reading somewhere long ago that Saurav Ganguly is a Kanya kubja brahmin. At that time I had no clue what that caste indicates. It is iteresting to know that all the "jees" plus ganguly of Bengal are immigrants from the same area. Within TN, do the Vadamas speak the local language or Hindi or Sanskrit?

silvermani wrote:Within TN, do the Vadamas speak the local language or Hindi or Sanskrit?

silvermani wrote: Within TN, do the Vadamas speak the local language or Hindi or Sanskrit?

Kayalvizhi wrote:

silvermani wrote: Within TN, do the Vadamas speak the local language or Hindi or Sanskrit?

They are Tamils. They speak Tamil.

Rashmun wrote:
am i  to understand that traditionally it is quite ok for inter-marriages to take place between vadama brahmins and choliya brahmins?

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

silvermani wrote:Within TN, do the Vadamas speak the local language or Hindi or Sanskrit?

Within Punjab, do the Punjabis speak Punjabi or Kazakh or Uzbek?

silvermani wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

silvermani wrote:Within TN, do the Vadamas speak the local language or Hindi or Sanskrit?

Within Punjab, do the Punjabis speak Punjabi or Kazakh or Uzbek?

There are migrant communities in TN who still speak their original language - the Saurashtra people, for example. There are also Telugu people in TN who still speak it at home.

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:

silvermani wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

silvermani wrote:Within TN, do the Vadamas speak the local language or Hindi or Sanskrit?

Within Punjab, do the Punjabis speak Punjabi or Kazakh or Uzbek?

There are migrant communities in TN who still speak their original language - the Saurashtra people, for example. There are also Telugu people in TN who still speak it at home.

They speak with a Tamil accent. They are also afraid of DKheads with fanatic tendencies. I know Tamils don't like to hear this - communities that moved to TN during the Pallava, Chalukya, Nayaka, Maratha, etc., periods highly enriched "Tamil" culture.