Ramadoss wants Tirupati to merge with TN

by confuzzled dude Sun Aug 11, 2013 10:21 am

Is he SaamiYaar's brother?

http://news.oneindia.in/2013/08/11/pmk-wants-tirupati-to-merge-with-tamil-nadu-1280709.html

by Guest Sun Aug 11, 2013 10:24 am

Yeah, and then he would want to break away the northern TN from the southern TN, with Tirupati and Chennai in it.

Razz

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Sun Aug 11, 2013 10:59 am

Ramados should be careful. He may be unwittingly supporting the splitting of TN!

He may also be provoking Andhra to demand the inclusion of Chennai, Kanchi, Vellore, Coimbatore, etc., in Andhra.

by truthbetold Sun Aug 11, 2013 12:02 pm

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:Ramados should be careful. He may be unwittingly supporting the splitting of TN!

He may also be provoking Andhra to demand the inclusion of Chennai, Kanchi, Vellore, Coimbatore, etc., in Andhra.

What is left of tn if you add tanjavuru?

by garam_kuta Sun Aug 11, 2013 3:00 pm

truthbetold wrote:
Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:Ramados should be careful. He may be unwittingly supporting the splitting of TN!

He may also be provoking Andhra to demand the inclusion of Chennai, Kanchi, Vellore, Coimbatore, etc., in Andhra.
What is left of tn if you add tanjavuru?

core thamizh nAdu is madurai and it's immediate vicinity - the rest are all fluff, of varying degrees, is the traditional definition

by truthbetold Sun Aug 11, 2013 4:25 pm

garam_kuta wrote:
truthbetold wrote:
Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:Ramados should be careful. He may be unwittingly supporting the splitting of TN!

He may also be provoking Andhra to demand the inclusion of Chennai, Kanchi, Vellore, Coimbatore, etc., in Andhra.
What is left of tn if you add tanjavuru?
core thamizh nAdu is madurai and it's immediate vicinity - the rest are all fluff, of varying degrees, is the traditional definition

We will work hard to convince people to give up madhurai and other core provinces if they let go off Madras, kanchi.,
Coimbatore and tanjavuru. That will also take all iyangar enclaves and iyerland from Tamil state. That combination pretty much will grab 50% of iit seats.

by nevada Sun Aug 11, 2013 4:35 pm

Seems like a reasonable demand. Dont most people in Tirupati speak Tamil? The Telugu spoken there sounds like Tamil too.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Aug 11, 2013 4:45 pm

truthbetold wrote:
garam_kuta wrote:
truthbetold wrote:
Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:Ramados should be careful. He may be unwittingly supporting the splitting of TN!

He may also be provoking Andhra to demand the inclusion of Chennai, Kanchi, Vellore, Coimbatore, etc., in Andhra.
What is left of tn if you add tanjavuru?
core thamizh nAdu is madurai and it's immediate vicinity - the rest are all fluff, of varying degrees, is the traditional definition
We will work hard to convince people to give up madhurai and other core provinces if they let go off Madras, kanchi.,
Coimbatore and tanjavuru. That will also take all iyangar enclaves and iyerland from Tamil state. That combination pretty much will grab 50% of iit seats.

In fact a couple of IITs and IIMs should be established in Srirangam and Thanjavuru exclusively for Iyers and Iyengars and save the rest of the IITs and IIMs from their influence.

by truthbetold Sun Aug 11, 2013 4:45 pm

nevada wrote:Seems like a reasonable demand. Dont most people in Tirupati speak Tamil? The Telugu spoken there sounds like Tamil too.

Ap can carve out iyengar district called radhakrishna(n) district with tirupati as headquarters.

by truthbetold Sun Aug 11, 2013 4:53 pm

Li

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
truthbetold wrote:
garam_kuta wrote:
truthbetold wrote:
Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:Ramados should be careful. He may be unwittingly supporting the splitting of TN!

He may also be provoking Andhra to demand the inclusion of Chennai, Kanchi, Vellore, Coimbatore, etc., in Andhra.
What is left of tn if you add tanjavuru?
core thamizh nAdu is madurai and it's immediate vicinity - the rest are all fluff, of varying degrees, is the traditional definition
We will work hard to convince people to give up madhurai and other core provinces if they let go off Madras, kanchi.,
Coimbatore and tanjavuru. That will also take all iyangar enclaves and iyerland from Tamil state. That combination pretty much will grab 50% of iit seats.
In fact a couple of IITs and IIMs should be established in Srirangam and Thanjavuru exclusively for Iyers and Iyengars and save the rest of the IITs and IIMs from their influence.

uppili swamy,
iyagars and iyers can be criticized for many things. But their influence and contributions to education are positive. We should learn from this group's historical dedication to learning. Of course we should filter out the self ascribed exclusivity and arrogance from their learning process.

by nevada Sun Aug 11, 2013 5:01 pm

truthbetold wrote:
nevada wrote:Seems like a reasonable demand. Dont most people in Tirupati speak Tamil? The Telugu spoken there sounds like Tamil too.
Ap can carve out iyengar district called radhakrishna(n) district with tirupati as headquarters.

Why just iyengars? what about mudaliars who are long time settlers in Hyd? Tirupati can be spiritual headquarters. Trimulgherry in Secunderabad should be made the admnistrative capital with Bolaram, Lalaguda, Mettuguda, etc as part of the province.

by truthbetold Sun Aug 11, 2013 5:21 pm

Mudaliars in hyd. don't know much about them. are you referring to bommana and other saree shops.
these saree shops guys are so good they put Google and amazon databases to shame. they can fish out history of likes and dislikes so quick you would have to worry if you know your spouse. they also gently and politely get the man to disappear

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Sun Aug 11, 2013 5:41 pm

nevada wrote:
truthbetold wrote:
nevada wrote:Seems like a reasonable demand. Dont most people in Tirupati speak Tamil? The Telugu spoken there sounds like Tamil too.
Ap can carve out iyengar district called radhakrishna(n) district with tirupati as headquarters.
Why just iyengars? what about mudaliars who are long time settlers in Hyd? Tirupati can be spiritual headquarters. Trimulgherry in Secunderabad should be made the admnistrative capital with Bolaram, Lalaguda, Mettuguda, etc as part of the province.

Mudaliars in TN originally come from Andhra.

In twin cities, you can find them in Alwal and near Sankara matam as well.

You were alluding to Tamil accent in Tirupati. You will find Tami->Telugu in Chittor & Nellore districts and Telugu->Tamil in Chennai, Kanchi, Vellore, Coimbatore, etc. I have relatives in Chennai (T-nagar) who speak Telugu with a Tamil accent.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Aug 11, 2013 6:46 pm

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:
nevada wrote:
truthbetold wrote:
nevada wrote:Seems like a reasonable demand. Dont most people in Tirupati speak Tamil? The Telugu spoken there sounds like Tamil too.
Ap can carve out iyengar district called radhakrishna(n) district with tirupati as headquarters.
Why just iyengars? what about mudaliars who are long time settlers in Hyd? Tirupati can be spiritual headquarters. Trimulgherry in Secunderabad should be made the admnistrative capital with Bolaram, Lalaguda, Mettuguda, etc as part of the province.
Mudaliars in TN originally come from Andhra.

In twin cities, you can find them in Alwal and near Sankara matam as well.

You were alluding to Tamil accent in Tirupati. You will find Tami->Telugu in Chittor & Nellore districts and Telugu->Tamil in Chennai, Kanchi, Vellore, Coimbatore, etc. I have relatives in Chennai (T-nagar) who speak Telugu with a Tamil accent.

I am glad that at least your relatives in T Nagar are protecting the real and pure Telugu. You cannot say the same about Telengans.

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Sun Aug 11, 2013 8:16 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:
nevada wrote:
truthbetold wrote:
nevada wrote:Seems like a reasonable demand. Dont most people in Tirupati speak Tamil? The Telugu spoken there sounds like Tamil too.
Ap can carve out iyengar district called radhakrishna(n) district with tirupati as headquarters.
Why just iyengars? what about mudaliars who are long time settlers in Hyd? Tirupati can be spiritual headquarters. Trimulgherry in Secunderabad should be made the admnistrative capital with Bolaram, Lalaguda, Mettuguda, etc as part of the province.
Mudaliars in TN originally come from Andhra.

In twin cities, you can find them in Alwal and near Sankara matam as well.

You were alluding to Tamil accent in Tirupati. You will find Tami->Telugu in Chittor & Nellore districts and Telugu->Tamil in Chennai, Kanchi, Vellore, Coimbatore, etc. I have relatives in Chennai (T-nagar) who speak Telugu with a Tamil accent.
I am glad that at least your relatives in T Nagar are protecting the real and pure Telugu. You cannot say the same about Telengans.

I have nephews who grew up in Hyderabad. They speak like any Hyderabadi (Telugu+Urgu+Gibberish = LOL). On NDTV's "Truth vs Hype", Srinivasan Jain played a clip of Hyderabadi from a Telugu movie (to show how the movie industry is unfair to T-bhasha) Nee ammalakooooo, nee chellelakooo etti pettestaaanu....(long pause)....... dandaaalu (sounds more like Bittu talking about women but it means: I do namaskar to your mothers and sisters).

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Sun Aug 11, 2013 8:27 pm

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:
nevada wrote:
truthbetold wrote:Ap can carve out iyengar district called radhakrishna(n) district with tirupati as headquarters.
Why just iyengars? what about mudaliars who are long time settlers in Hyd? Tirupati can be spiritual headquarters. Trimulgherry in Secunderabad should be made the admnistrative capital with Bolaram, Lalaguda, Mettuguda, etc as part of the province.
Mudaliars in TN originally come from Andhra.

In twin cities, you can find them in Alwal and near Sankara matam as well.

You were alluding to Tamil accent in Tirupati. You will find Tami->Telugu in Chittor & Nellore districts and Telugu->Tamil in Chennai, Kanchi, Vellore, Coimbatore, etc. I have relatives in Chennai (T-nagar) who speak Telugu with a Tamil accent.
I am glad that at least your relatives in T Nagar are protecting the real and pure Telugu. You cannot say the same about Telengans.
I have nephews who grew up in Hyderabad. They speak like any Hyderabadi (Telugu+Urgu+Gibberish = LOL). On NDTV's "Truth vs Hype", Srinivasan Jain played a clip of Hyderabadi from a Telugu movie (to show how the movie industry is unfair to T-bhasha) Nee ammalakooooo, nee chellelakooo etti pettestaaanu....(long pause)....... dandaaalu (sounds more like Bittu talking about women but it means: I do namaskar to your mothers and sisters).

Go to 13 min 45 sec:

http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/truth-vs-hype/truth-vs-hype-telangana-inc-the-battle-for-hyderabad/286326

by truthbetold Sun Aug 11, 2013 9:56 pm

Vp,
Who are mudaliars originators in andhra? Is it chettiars ?

by confuzzled dude Sun Aug 11, 2013 10:34 pm

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote: I have nephews who grew up in Hyderabad. They speak like any Hyderabadi (Telugu+Urgu+Gibberish = LOL). On NDTV's "Truth vs Hype", Srinivasan Jain played a clip of Hyderabadi from a Telugu movie (to show how the movie industry is unfair to T-bhasha) Nee ammalakooooo, nee chellelakooo etti pettestaaanu....(long pause)....... dandaaalu (sounds more like Bittu talking about women but it means: I do namaskar to your mothers and sisters).

Isn't "etti pettu" nellore slang? there are quite a few cheera etti pettu jokes in nellore accent. These days all comedians speak in Godavari slang and majority of them hail from Godavari districts.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Aug 11, 2013 10:47 pm

truthbetold wrote:Vp,
Who are mudaliars originators in andhra? Is it chettiars ?

Chettiars come in both Gult and kannada. most from Shetty community. One as to remember that the South had been one large province since the days of Vijayanagar empire till 1947. People moved freely over 500 to 700 years and it is natural they mixed and moved. But, what is remarkable is most of these large communities still cling onto whatever is left of their ancestral language, culture and heritage. It is sad to see the andhra Naidus look down on Naidus in Coimbatore and Madurai; Shettys and Mudaliars form kanranataka dn Andhra looking down the Chettiars and mudaliars of TN as some second class citizens.

However, Tambrahms dont seem to have that hesitancy toward fellow Tambrahms from outside TN. That is something very curious.

by truthbetold Sun Aug 11, 2013 11:03 pm

I am not sure andhra naidus or chettiars look down upon coimbatore or madurai naidus or tn chettiars. I think because of physical distance there is a communication gap. Marriages and other cultural interactions are limited.
Tn Telugu is more pure and original. Poking fun at older forms of a language is just that.
I am aware of regular contacts between rich sections of these groups as they have the means. One of ntr's daughter was married to a coimbatore native.

by confuzzled dude Sun Aug 11, 2013 11:28 pm

truthbetold wrote:I am not sure andhra naidus or chettiars look down upon coimbatore or madurai naidus or tn chettiars. I think because of physical distance there is a communication gap. Marriages and other cultural interactions are limited.
Tn Telugu is more pure and original. Poking fun at older forms of a language is just that.
I am aware of regular contacts between rich sections of these groups as they have the means. One of ntr's daughter was married to a coimbatore native.

A very close friend of mine is married to a telugu girl from Coimbatore. I've interacted with several of her family members, looks like a quite a bit of tamil influence on their telugu, wouldn't call it pure but certainly a preserved form of telugu spoken several hundred years ago. Same deal with the Telugu spoken by the folks settled in Bangalore a long time ago. I guess Tamilians feel the same way about Hyd. Mudaliars.

by truthbetold Mon Aug 12, 2013 6:30 am

Cd,
it is natural that their languages is highly influenced by local language. We are looking at a group that migrated hundreds of years ago. But the Telugu that survived contains early Telugu words for food " buvva".
The other interesting characteristic is the dynamism and entrepreneurship of these groups. Coimbatore has the largest gear manufacturing industry in India.

by indophile Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:58 am

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

However, Tambrahms dont seem to have that hesitancy toward fellow Tambrahms from outside TN. That is something very curious.

Is it true that Srilankan Tamilians think that the Tamil spoken in TN is not pure enough, and even Madurai Tamilians mock Madras natives for their not so senn-Tamil?

by MaxEntropy_Man Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:06 pm

indophile wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

However, Tambrahms dont seem to have that hesitancy toward fellow Tambrahms from outside TN. That is something very curious.
Is it true that Srilankan Tamilians think that the Tamil spoken in TN is not pure enough, and even Madurai Tamilians mock Madras natives for their not so senn-Tamil?

looks like a vocabulary mix-up here. nobody uses senn-thamizh in spoken language. thamizh is diglossic. to use senn-thamizh in spoken language would seem like you're out of some 50s movie involving kings and queens for which karunanidhi wrote the screenplay. people would laugh at you. you probably mean kotun-thamizh the "good" spoken language used in places like madurai. yes chennai-vasis used to be made fun of, but the chennai-tongue is quickly disappearing in chennai replaced by a peculiar tamil equivalent of valley-girl speak which i find annoying as hell.

by Hellsangel Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:07 pm

Srilankan Tamils rock.

by Idéfix Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:08 pm

truthbetold wrote: But the Telugu that survived contains early Telugu words for food " buvva".

To an extent, the Telugu spoken in Telangana also has this feature... old Telugu words that are no longer in common use on the coast are still used. From my limited exposure to Rayalaseema Telugu, particularly from Anantapur and Kadapa, I had the same impression as well; I used to notice a few words that I had last come across in some centuries-old poem from my high school Telugu textbook.

by Idéfix Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:11 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote: I have nephews who grew up in Hyderabad. They speak like any Hyderabadi (Telugu+Urgu+Gibberish = LOL). On NDTV's "Truth vs Hype", Srinivasan Jain played a clip of Hyderabadi from a Telugu movie (to show how the movie industry is unfair to T-bhasha) Nee ammalakooooo, nee chellelakooo etti pettestaaanu....(long pause)....... dandaaalu (sounds more like Bittu talking about women but it means: I do namaskar to your mothers and sisters).

Isn't "etti pettu" nellore slang? there are quite a few cheera etti pettu jokes in nellore accent. These days all comedians speak in Godavari slang and majority of them hail from Godavari districts.

A true Telangana version of that wouldn't be "etti peTTEstAnu" -- it would be "etti peTTEsta." From that elongated aanu, I presume the creative mind who came up with that line hails from a village close to guruvu-gaaru's.

by indophile Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:17 pm

Idéfix wrote:
truthbetold wrote: But the Telugu that survived contains early Telugu words for food " buvva".
To an extent, the Telugu spoken in Telangana also has this feature... old Telugu words that are no longer in common use on the coast are still used. From my limited exposure to Rayalaseema Telugu, particularly from Anantapur and Kadapa, I had the same impression as well; I used to notice a few words that I had last come across in some centuries-old poem from my high school Telugu textbook.

A lot of pure Telugu (words, grammar, expression, idiom, and other aspects) is found in Tikkana's Mahabharatam and Annamacharya's keertanas. It is difficult for even those reasonably well educated in the language today to fully understand those works.

by Idéfix Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:19 pm

indophile wrote:
Idéfix wrote:
truthbetold wrote: But the Telugu that survived contains early Telugu words for food " buvva".
To an extent, the Telugu spoken in Telangana also has this feature... old Telugu words that are no longer in common use on the coast are still used. From my limited exposure to Rayalaseema Telugu, particularly from Anantapur and Kadapa, I had the same impression as well; I used to notice a few words that I had last come across in some centuries-old poem from my high school Telugu textbook.
A lot of pure Telugu (words, grammar, expression, idiom, and other aspects) is found in Tikkana's Mahabharatam and Annamacharya's keertanas. It is difficult for even those reasonably well educated in the language today to fully understand those works.

And you used to remind us of some of those words with your padakELi! That was fun.

by indophile Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:21 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
indophile wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

However, Tambrahms dont seem to have that hesitancy toward fellow Tambrahms from outside TN. That is something very curious.
Is it true that Srilankan Tamilians think that the Tamil spoken in TN is not pure enough, and even Madurai Tamilians mock Madras natives for their not so senn-Tamil?
looks like a vocabulary mix-up here. nobody uses senn-thamizh in spoken language. thamizh is diglossic. to use senn-thamizh in spoken language would seem like you're out of some 50s movie involving kings and queens for which karunanidhi wrote the screenplay. people would laugh at you. you probably mean kotun-thamizh the "good" spoken language used in places like madurai. yes chennai-vasis used to be made fun of, but the chennai-tongue is quickly disappearing in chennai replaced by a peculiar tamil equivalent of valley-girl speak which i find annoying as hell.

I meant "purity." If "senn" is not the word for it, and the word is something else, so be it. I once asked GC to give me an equivalent of "Queen's English" for Tamil, and he said "Senn-Tamil" is pretty close.

by MaxEntropy_Man Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:39 pm

not sure what purity means in the context of the spoken tongue. there are many different spoken dialects which are all mutually intelligible but distinct from each other, but the formal language is only one. again spoken language is kotun-thamizh and formal written language is senn-thamizh (seen only in the written word and heard only from the lips of news readers).

by MaxEntropy_Man Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:44 pm

even in madurai where the purported "pure" language is spoken, nobody would say it like it is written. for example if there is a pleasant breeze blowing, they'd probably say, "nallA kaththu varudhu" as opposed to, "nandrAga kAttru veesugiradhu" or more poetically, "iLanthendral vandhu thINdugiradhu". the last two would get you laughed off. so this notion of pure language does not even apply to anything other than the written word.

by indophile Mon Aug 12, 2013 1:28 pm

Having a "bookish" and "everyday" language is not unique to Tamil. Telugu too has it. They call them vyavahaarika (everyday spoken variety), and graandhika (bookish). Kannada has those two varieties too (In fact, in South Kanara, i.e., Mangalore, Udipi area, they speak bookish Kannada (because most people there speak Tulu and Konkani as their mother tonue). So the purity I was referring to is only for the spoken language, and its variations. I believe even the term "Queen's English" is used only for the spoken language.

by Nila Mon Aug 12, 2013 4:01 pm

Yes! I agree. Give us our Thirupathi back to us. We also need Bengalore, Udipi, Mysore, Kadappa (sounds tamil), Shanghai, Bangkok, Singapore (It has Singam in it)...will add more to it.

by MaxEntropy_Man Mon Aug 12, 2013 4:55 pm

indophile wrote:Having a "bookish" and "everyday" language is not unique to Tamil. Telugu too has it. They call them vyavahaarika (everyday spoken variety), and graandhika (bookish). Kannada has those two varieties too (In fact, in South Kanara, i.e., Mangalore, Udipi area, they speak bookish Kannada (because most people there speak Tulu and Konkani as their mother tonue). So the purity I was referring to is only for the spoken language, and its variations. I believe even the term "Queen's English" is used only for the spoken language.

i don't know about other indian languages, but english certainly does not have any perceptible degree of diglossia. in principle, one can speak like one writes, although i realize this is certainly not the norm amongst american teens. it is in this sense that tamil is different. it's not just a question of "high" vocabulary versus "everyday" vocabulary. the critical point i am making is that the verb form itself is different in the spoken and written versions. "he is talking" would be pesugindrAn in written langauge and simply pesarAn in spoken language. neither is considered impure. one can write formally using everyday vocabulary. it's not the vocabulary that distinguishes the spoken form from the written form, but the verb forms. you can write formally using high vocabulary and everyday vocabulary.

by Captain Bhankas Tue Aug 13, 2013 4:55 am

a thread on tamil something? check.
someone says iyer? check.
someone says iyengar? check.
someone says mudliar? check.
someone says chettiar? check.
someone says gownder? check.
someone says tambrahm? check.

business as usual, my good sir, business as usual.

by indophile Tue Aug 13, 2013 10:55 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
indophile wrote:Having a "bookish" and "everyday" language is not unique to Tamil. Telugu too has it. They call them vyavahaarika (everyday spoken variety), and graandhika (bookish). Kannada has those two varieties too (In fact, in South Kanara, i.e., Mangalore, Udipi area, they speak bookish Kannada (because most people there speak Tulu and Konkani as their mother tonue). So the purity I was referring to is only for the spoken language, and its variations. I believe even the term "Queen's English" is used only for the spoken language.
i don't know about other indian languages, but english certainly does not have any perceptible degree of diglossia. in principle, one can speak like one writes, although i realize this is certainly not the norm amongst american teens. it is in this sense that tamil is different. it's not just a question of "high" vocabulary versus "everyday" vocabulary. the critical point i am making is that the verb form itself is different in the spoken and written versions. "he is talking" would be pesugindrAn in written langauge and simply pesarAn in spoken language. neither is considered impure. one can write formally using everyday vocabulary. it's not the vocabulary that distinguishes the spoken form from the written form, but the verb forms. you can write formally using high vocabulary and everyday vocabulary.

Telugu "grandhikam" (bookish)/"vyavaharikam" (everyday talking) differences are the same. For example - one might say "vaadu pampedu" (he sent - vyavaharikam), but write it as "atadu pampenu" (he sent - bookish). Here both the noun form and the verb declension change. The street version (and the nowadays movies version) is -- aadu pampedu.

by Propagandhi711 Tue Aug 13, 2013 11:11 am

Captain Bhankas wrote:a thread on tamil something? check.
someone says iyer? check.
someone says iyengar? check.
someone says mudliar? check.
someone says chettiar? check.
someone says gownder? check.
someone says tambrahm? check.

business as usual, my good sir, business as usual.

bingo is his name-o

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Tue Aug 13, 2013 11:56 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
indophile wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

However, Tambrahms dont seem to have that hesitancy toward fellow Tambrahms from outside TN. That is something very curious.
Is it true that Srilankan Tamilians think that the Tamil spoken in TN is not pure enough, and even Madurai Tamilians mock Madras natives for their not so senn-Tamil?
looks like a vocabulary mix-up here. nobody uses senn-thamizh in spoken language. thamizh is diglossic. to use senn-thamizh in spoken language would seem like you're out of some 50s movie involving kings and queens for which karunanidhi wrote the screenplay. people would laugh at you. you probably mean kotun-thamizh the "good" spoken language used in places like madurai. yes chennai-vasis used to be made fun of, but the chennai-tongue is quickly disappearing in chennai replaced by a peculiar tamil equivalent of valley-girl speak which i find annoying as hell.

If you listened to the SL tamilians closely and even the Malayalam, individual words reflect the words from Tamil literature. If we keep the tamil literature that we studied in our minds and listened them, it is amazing that they are the ones who appear to maintain the "Senn-Thamizh." Pure tamil words appear to have frozen with their migration and or development of their local language/dialect.

And, it is the SL Tamilians who feel awkward to speak in front of the TN Thamizhans, while it should be the other way around.

As one goes south from Madras, the influence of "phoren" languages on Thamizh diminishes. With the rural population migrating to madras, the madras language is being cleansed of all phoren words and replaced by words from English wonly.

by indophile Tue Aug 13, 2013 1:38 pm

A few years ago we had a "Murugan" temple opening ceremony in the Washington area (The temple is pretty much a Srilankan Tamilians project). They invited a holyman called Hawaii Swamy (an American swamy) to give a speech. His speech was in English, and just so the audience needed help understanding him, they had a Srilankan Tamilian interpreter. Smile

And then a local Tamil gentleman spoke. The Srilankan Tamilian interpreter continued interpreting him too. Smile

Finally, Sudha Raghunathan sang, and it was a relief for us folks the phoren ones.

by MaxEntropy_Man Tue Aug 13, 2013 1:43 pm

i have difficulty following SL tamils' tamil

by MaxEntropy_Man Tue Aug 13, 2013 2:04 pm

sudha ragunathan btw would not have been a relief to me. she is CM's equivalent of the screechy mangeshkar woman.

by indophile Tue Aug 13, 2013 2:27 pm

Anyone (even Nithyasri) after that Srilankan interpreter guy would be a relief. We once used Nithyasri to drive away birds who nested on top of our fireplace.

by Nila Tue Aug 13, 2013 2:35 pm

indophile wrote:Anyone (even Nithyasri) after that Srilankan interpreter guy would be a relief. We once used Nithyasri to drive away birds who nested on top of our fireplace.

lol

by Nila Tue Aug 13, 2013 2:36 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:i have difficulty following SL tamils' tamil

I pretend I know no tamil in public; with SL tamil I don't have to pretend.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Tue Aug 13, 2013 3:42 pm

Nila wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:i have difficulty following SL tamils' tamil
I pretend I know no tamil in public; with SL tamil I don't have to pretend.

......A comedy bit on SL Tamil and India's Tamil....

by MaxEntropy_Man Tue Aug 13, 2013 4:32 pm

Nila wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:i have difficulty following SL tamils' tamil
I pretend I know no tamil in public; with SL tamil I don't have to pretend.

why? are you ashamed that you know the language?

by Nila Tue Aug 13, 2013 5:12 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Nila wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:i have difficulty following SL tamils' tamil
I pretend I know no tamil in public; with SL tamil I don't have to pretend.
why? are you ashamed that you know the language?

Nope. I can read and write tamil. It is something to do with growing up in B'lore...long story.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Tue Aug 13, 2013 6:46 pm

Nila wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Nila wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:i have difficulty following SL tamils' tamil
I pretend I know no tamil in public; with SL tamil I don't have to pretend.
why? are you ashamed that you know the language?
Nope. I can read and write tamil. It is something to do with growing up in B'lore...long story.

And B'lore was part of TN ? Or, are you 60 yrs old?

by nevada Tue Aug 13, 2013 7:21 pm

Didn't lot of anti Tamil violence happen in B'lore about 15-2- years ago due to Cauvery dispute? That could be a reason for a B'lorean Tamil to pretend lack of Tamil knowledge. I heard SL tamil sounds like Malayalam. Is that true?

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