Gulti as charged

Rashmun wrote:By SiliconIndia | Sunday, 26 June 2011, 20:35 Hrs | 203 Comments
Fake resumes; Hyderabad leads

Bangalore: Every day the Indian IT industry wakes up with new challenges which could be from hiring skilled professionals to cost cutting during recession. Fake resumes are one of them. Since this is the first step in hiring, it makes it all the more difficult for companies to pick the right candidate. Despite having large HR departments, many IT companies have failed in identifying fake resumes. According to Employee verifications firms, recruitment companies and HR heads in the IT sector feel the number of fake resumes floating around have increased fourfold since 2007. Fake resumes have transformed and turned out to be a fine art nowadays. Most IT companies revealed that professionals from Hyderabad faked the most in their resumes.

MindTree terminated 80 employees out of 1000 recruited after it found they had filed false information, according to Subroto Bagchi, Chief Operating Officer, "MindTree is closely monitoring the resumes coming especially from Andhra Pradesh aspirants who provide false information to get a job owing to social pressures," he added.

The fakery included falsification of resumes, Most of them provided false employment information, incorrect tenure, gave away fake designations and some had also had negative supervisor or HR feedback. Manipulated educational information which had degrees from either unrecognized institutes or fake institutes and some had not completed the courses that they had claimed to have done.

Not only the IT sectors the, banking and financial services industry (BFSI) has also received the fake resume menace with major chunk coming from Hyderabad. Hyderabad emerged as one of the top cities with highest number of suspect companies that issued fake resumes.

Noby Nazareth, head of employee verification firm, Evaluationz, said that 25 percent of the resumes that reach him are found to be false or fabricated or exaggerated. This is largely because some candidates have become much "smarter" in faking it and there are some recruitment agencies are even helping them do it. According to Nazareth, a lot of fake resumes involve candidates from Hyderabad.

"Most of these companies who provide fake experience certificates, salary slips and even fake educational certificates are located in Hyderabad, while there are quite a few of them in Bangalore and many other cities as well," said Deepankar Sanwalkar who heads the Forensic Dept of KPMG.

Considering the above facts if we analyze why Hyderabad is leading in fake resumes, we have their state government recently admitting that not more than 10 percent of their engineering graduates are actually employable. Only 12 percent engineering students from Andhra Pradesh were selected in campus recruitment in the previous academic year and the figure declined further in the current year, a recent study by National Association of Software and Services Companies (Nasscom) has shown.

Small or big, all IT companies have faced and continue to face the scourge. Wipro, Infosys, TCS and Cognizant and others say they have taken corrective measures to stop the fakes from getting hired.

It is not only the fake resumes which has brought Hyderabad into the spotlight, during the Tri-valley university, the city drew a lot of attention as the scam claimed that as many as 1,555 students, mostly from Andhra Pradesh enrolled at the Pleasanton School were using fake visas. In a complaint filed Jan 19 in U.S. District Court in San Francisco, the U.S. Attorney's Office alleges that the owner of Tri Valley University used the school to help foreigners illegally obtain student visas that allow them to stay in the U.S.

http://www.siliconindia.com/shownews/Fake_resumes_Hyderabad_leads-nid-85222-cid-30.html

Consider an extract from the article:

MindTree terminated 80 employees out of 1000 recruited after it found
they had filed false information, according to Subroto Bagchi, Chief
Operating Officer, "MindTree is closely monitoring the resumes
coming especially from Andhra Pradesh aspirants who provide false
information to get a job owing to social pressures," he added.

what are these social pressures that are causing Gultis to fake their resumes and pad their work experience in such large numbers? This is a point worth investigating in my opinion.

Washington: Hundreds of Indian students,
mostly from Andhra Pradesh, face the prospect of deportation from the US
after authorities raided and shut down a university in the Silicon
Valley on charges of a massive immigration fraud.

The Tri-Valley
University in Pleasanton, a major suburb in San Francisco Bay Area, has
been charged by federal investigating authorities with being part of an
effort to defraud, misuse visa permits and indulge in money laundering
and other crimes.

http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/hundreds-of-andhra-students-may-be-deported-from-us-81479

For many Telugu people openly discussing the dowry is not a matter of shame. While
growing up, the members of the family, relatives and the society talks
about it openly and hence the guy does not feel ashamed. It is like growing up in Nazi Germany and talking about distaste for Jews. Nobody thinks it is a matter of shame to hold such a prejudice. It is so common that it is even considered a virtue.

Our brazenness is not confined to taking dowries. When it comes to being deceitful we are not far behind most egregious cultures in the world.

Mark Sheets

Recently a young engineer was taking my ‘advice’ on getting into US on MS program. So
I told him in detail about exams he has to write, preparing the
statement of purpose, getting the recommendation letters from his
professors, etc. He said ‘never mind’ to recommendation letters. Upon further probing he told me they can be tailored the way he wants it. In fact, there are agencies in Hyderabad which can tailor it for you. One doesn’t have to meet the professor at all. The seal, the signature and contents are all forged. And when I told him that’s NOT how it is to be done, he lost all respect for me. He
was hoping for ‘gyaan’ on how to do things ‘smartly’ and not the meek
advice that I was giving him urging to take the hard path.

It is not uncommon for Telugu people to completely cheat and forge our mark sheets. At
one point of time, US Consulate was denying visas to many Telugu
students aspiring for MS programs because none of the mark sheets or
degree certificates could be relied upon. It had
reached such gigantic proportions that if you were from an institute
from Hyderabad there was good chance your mark sheets were fake.

Resumes

It is not uncommon for us Telugu to fake resumes either. That’s
also the reason why we become such a good fodder for Indian services
companies that actually encourage such resume embellishments. There is a good reason why most engineers who are put onsite feel frustrated. The client is told that you have eight years of experience and therefore their expectations are really high. But you just got eight weeks training in that topic and you don’t know what to do. Telugu people thrive in such environments. Working together in groups they make up for lack of experience.

Satyam

No wonder Satyam is a Telugu company. We are masters of forgery like no other. We could create more than 10,000 fictitious engineers with bank accounts and insurance and all that. When
Ramalinga Raju et al were convicted of one of biggest white collar
crimes in India, there were good number of Telugu people who took his
side to profess their faith and allegiance in him. You have to do much more to convince us Telugu people to dissuade us from our loyalties. The fact that our leaders are corrupt, swindling, and degenerate does not change our opinions. In
fact, we are proud of our diehard allegiances to our corrupt and
swindling leaders and it comes out in times of adversity, such as
unraveling of Satyam scam. While it was being unraveled on TV, our support for Rama Linga Raju only grew because we saw him as a victim. Here the victim was a fellow Telugu.

Corruption

The
corruption in Telugu land has once again taken on the modern ways – it
is the most transparent system found anywhere- transparency in the sense
that you know exactly what the other person is paying in any other part
of the state. If it is the post of Lecturer it
is 5 Lakhs, if it is the post of Professor, it is 20 lakhs, if it is the
post of Vice Chancellor, it is 1 Crore. It is
standardized across all universities in the state so that in case you
balk at paying the amount you are told, ‘Sir! This is what everyone else
is taking. If you want, you can go verify at this other university.’

So, it has been standardized so much that one can actually quote the prices openly. Bribes
for challan, land registration, ration card, constable position, etc,
are all highly streamlined so that you pay the same amount of bribe in
any part of the state. That way you know you are not being swindled. It’s being fair in our Telugu sense of fairness.

Am I proud of creating such an open and transparent system? Of course, I am. I am a proud Telugu. With e-governance, we can even streamline the bribes with an option called ‘Pay Bribe now’.

http://sujaiblog.blogspot.com/2009/12/proud-telugu.html

Rashmun wrote:In the words of the great Hindi poet Kabir:

Nindak niyare rakhiye, Angan kuti chawai,
bin pani sabun bina, nirmal kare subhaiy

Keep your critics close to you, let their hut be in your courtyard,
That way you don’t need soap and water to cleanse your nature.

.

it is amusing to note that Gults had conceived of taking away Madras(Chennai) from Tamil Nadu. Simply Brilliant!
-----------
The history of Chennai in twentyth century is not complete without
mentioning 'Madras Manade' movement launched by Telugu speaking
people(Andhras). The intention of the movement was to create a separate
state for Telugu speaking people with Madras as its Capital City. Though
the demand was there since as back as the year 1913 and still earlier
in the pre-independence days^[8]
it took momentum in 1940s and fiftys.

There were continuous
agitations,srrikes etc., Great Telugu leaders like Tankuturi Prakasam,
Tenneti Viswanatham, Bulusu Sambhamorty, Bezwada Gopala Reddy, Neelam
Sanjiva Reddy, Veeresalingam Panthulu and Pattabhi Seetharam were
pioneers in this direction and were leading the agitation but the goal
of getting a separate state for Telugus did not materialize. But the
agitation continued more vehemently with the famous slogan 'MADRASU
MANADE'(మద్రాసు మనదే) in Telugu meaning Madras is ours.

But Tamils
opposed the agitation to include Chennai in the Andhra State if created A
committee popularly known as J.V.P. Committee consisting of Jawaharlal
Nehru, Vallabhbhai Patel and Pattabhi Sitaramaiah was constituted by the
Congress. The Committee in its report submitted to the Working
Committee of the Indian National Congress in April,1949 recommended that
the creation of linguistic provinces be postponed by few years.
However, it suggested that Andhra Province could be formed provided the
Andhras gave up their claim to the city of Madras (now Chennai),.^[9]

This report provoked violent reaction in Andhra as the Telugus were not
prepared to forego their claims to the city of Madras. The other two
alternative political solutions suggested by Andhra leaders i.e., making
Chennai as joint capital of Andhra and Madras States or bifurcating the
City allowing the areas north of the river Cooum going to Andhra and
areas south of the said river going to Madras states did not find favour
with Tamils or central leaders.Sri C.Rajagopalachari , the then chief
minister of Madras province who was a very powerful and influential
politician did not support Chennai being transferred to Andhra State.


On
the Tamil peoples' side Shri M.P.Sivagnanam (ம.பொ.சி) leader of a Tamil
organization called Tamil Arasu Kazhagam agitated against Telugus'
claim organizing rallies,meetings and dharnas etc.,in each and every
corner of Chennai City raising another great slogan in Tamil 'தலை
கொடுத்தேனும் தலைநகரைக் காப்போம், வேங்கடத்தை விடமாட்டோம்' which means in
detail 'We will protect and save the Capital for Tamils even if we have
to part with our heads, We will not give up our claim over Tirupati'.

At this stage Shri Potti Sriramulu, a freedom fighter, born in MADRAS
who was a Telugu himself took an indefinite fast unto death, demanding
creation of a separate state for Telugu speaking people with MADRAS as
it's capital.He died fasting and violent agitation followed for many
days in Telugu areas which compelled creation of separate Andhra State
with eleven Telugu majority districts and three taluks of Bellary
district. Kurnool was made capital after persuading Telugu leaders to
give up their claim over MADRAS City. The new state came into existence
from first October 1953.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Chennai#MADRAS_MANADE_movement

No offense rashmun, but on this thread, only you are suffering from ulti phenomenon. Don't take this the wrong way, just think of me being your nindak whom you should niyare rakhiye

Rashmun wrote:it is amusing to note that Gults had conceived of taking away Madras(Chennai) from Tamil Nadu. Simply Brilliant!
-----------
The history of Chennai in twentyth century is not complete without
mentioning 'Madras Manade' movement launched by Telugu speaking
people(Andhras). The intention of the movement was to create a separate
state for Telugu speaking people with Madras as its Capital City. Though
the demand was there since as back as the year 1913 and still earlier
in the pre-independence days^[8]
it took momentum in 1940s and fiftys.

There were continuous
agitations,srrikes etc., Great Telugu leaders like Tankuturi Prakasam,
Tenneti Viswanatham, Bulusu Sambhamorty, Bezwada Gopala Reddy, Neelam
Sanjiva Reddy, Veeresalingam Panthulu and Pattabhi Seetharam were
pioneers in this direction and were leading the agitation but the goal
of getting a separate state for Telugus did not materialize. But the
agitation continued more vehemently with the famous slogan 'MADRASU
MANADE'(మద్రాసు మనదే) in Telugu meaning Madras is ours.

But Tamils
opposed the agitation to include Chennai in the Andhra State if created A
committee popularly known as J.V.P. Committee consisting of Jawaharlal
Nehru, Vallabhbhai Patel and Pattabhi Sitaramaiah was constituted by the
Congress. The Committee in its report submitted to the Working
Committee of the Indian National Congress in April,1949 recommended that
the creation of linguistic provinces be postponed by few years.
However, it suggested that Andhra Province could be formed provided the
Andhras gave up their claim to the city of Madras (now Chennai),.^[9]

This report provoked violent reaction in Andhra as the Telugus were not
prepared to forego their claims to the city of Madras. The other two
alternative political solutions suggested by Andhra leaders i.e., making
Chennai as joint capital of Andhra and Madras States or bifurcating the
City allowing the areas north of the river Cooum going to Andhra and
areas south of the said river going to Madras states did not find favour
with Tamils or central leaders.Sri C.Rajagopalachari , the then chief
minister of Madras province who was a very powerful and influential
politician did not support Chennai being transferred to Andhra State.


On
the Tamil peoples' side Shri M.P.Sivagnanam (ம.பொ.சி) leader of a Tamil
organization called Tamil Arasu Kazhagam agitated against Telugus'
claim organizing rallies,meetings and dharnas etc.,in each and every
corner of Chennai City raising another great slogan in Tamil 'தலை
கொடுத்தேனும் தலைநகரைக் காப்போம், வேங்கடத்தை விடமாட்டோம்' which means in
detail 'We will protect and save the Capital for Tamils even if we have
to part with our heads, We will not give up our claim over Tirupati'.

At this stage Shri Potti Sriramulu, a freedom fighter, born in MADRAS
who was a Telugu himself took an indefinite fast unto death, demanding
creation of a separate state for Telugu speaking people with MADRAS as
it's capital.He died fasting and violent agitation followed for many
days in Telugu areas which compelled creation of separate Andhra State
with eleven Telugu majority districts and three taluks of Bellary
district. Kurnool was made capital after persuading Telugu leaders to
give up their claim over MADRAS City. The new state came into existence
from first October 1953.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Chennai#MADRAS_MANADE_movement

.

Rashmun wrote:For many Telugu people openly discussing the dowry is not a matter of shame. While
growing up, the members of the family, relatives and the society talks
about it openly and hence the guy does not feel ashamed. It is like growing up in Nazi Germany and talking about distaste for Jews. Nobody thinks it is a matter of shame to hold such a prejudice. It is so common that it is even considered a virtue.

Our brazenness is not confined to taking dowries. When it comes to being deceitful we are not far behind most egregious cultures in the world.

Mark Sheets

Recently a young engineer was taking my ‘advice’ on getting into US on MS program. So
I told him in detail about exams he has to write, preparing the
statement of purpose, getting the recommendation letters from his
professors, etc. He said ‘never mind’ to recommendation letters. Upon further probing he told me they can be tailored the way he wants it. In fact, there are agencies in Hyderabad which can tailor it for you. One doesn’t have to meet the professor at all. The seal, the signature and contents are all forged. And when I told him that’s NOT how it is to be done, he lost all respect for me. He
was hoping for ‘gyaan’ on how to do things ‘smartly’ and not the meek
advice that I was giving him urging to take the hard path.

It is not uncommon for Telugu people to completely cheat and forge our mark sheets. At
one point of time, US Consulate was denying visas to many Telugu
students aspiring for MS programs because none of the mark sheets or
degree certificates could be relied upon. It had
reached such gigantic proportions that if you were from an institute
from Hyderabad there was good chance your mark sheets were fake.

Resumes

It is not uncommon for us Telugu to fake resumes either. That’s
also the reason why we become such a good fodder for Indian services
companies that actually encourage such resume embellishments. There is a good reason why most engineers who are put onsite feel frustrated. The client is told that you have eight years of experience and therefore their expectations are really high. But you just got eight weeks training in that topic and you don’t know what to do. Telugu people thrive in such environments. Working together in groups they make up for lack of experience.

Satyam

No wonder Satyam is a Telugu company. We are masters of forgery like no other. We could create more than 10,000 fictitious engineers with bank accounts and insurance and all that. When
Ramalinga Raju et al were convicted of one of biggest white collar
crimes in India, there were good number of Telugu people who took his
side to profess their faith and allegiance in him. You have to do much more to convince us Telugu people to dissuade us from our loyalties. The fact that our leaders are corrupt, swindling, and degenerate does not change our opinions. In
fact, we are proud of our diehard allegiances to our corrupt and
swindling leaders and it comes out in times of adversity, such as
unraveling of Satyam scam. While it was being unraveled on TV, our support for Rama Linga Raju only grew because we saw him as a victim. Here the victim was a fellow Telugu.

Corruption

The
corruption in Telugu land has once again taken on the modern ways – it
is the most transparent system found anywhere- transparency in the sense
that you know exactly what the other person is paying in any other part
of the state. If it is the post of Lecturer it
is 5 Lakhs, if it is the post of Professor, it is 20 lakhs, if it is the
post of Vice Chancellor, it is 1 Crore. It is
standardized across all universities in the state so that in case you
balk at paying the amount you are told, ‘Sir! This is what everyone else
is taking. If you want, you can go verify at this other university.’

So, it has been standardized so much that one can actually quote the prices openly. Bribes
for challan, land registration, ration card, constable position, etc,
are all highly streamlined so that you pay the same amount of bribe in
any part of the state. That way you know you are not being swindled. It’s being fair in our Telugu sense of fairness.

Am I proud of creating such an open and transparent system? Of course, I am. I am a proud Telugu. With e-governance, we can even streamline the bribes with an option called ‘Pay Bribe now’.

http://sujaiblog.blogspot.com/2009/12/proud-telugu.html

.

Rashmun wrote:By SiliconIndia | Sunday, 26 June 2011, 20:35 Hrs | 203 Comments
Fake resumes; Hyderabad leads

Bangalore: Every day the Indian IT industry wakes up with new challenges which could be from hiring skilled professionals to cost cutting during recession. Fake resumes are one of them. Since this is the first step in hiring, it makes it all the more difficult for companies to pick the right candidate. Despite having large HR departments, many IT companies have failed in identifying fake resumes. According to Employee verifications firms, recruitment companies and HR heads in the IT sector feel the number of fake resumes floating around have increased fourfold since 2007. Fake resumes have transformed and turned out to be a fine art nowadays. Most IT companies revealed that professionals from Hyderabad faked the most in their resumes.

MindTree terminated 80 employees out of 1000 recruited after it found they had filed false information, according to Subroto Bagchi, Chief Operating Officer, "MindTree is closely monitoring the resumes coming especially from Andhra Pradesh aspirants who provide false information to get a job owing to social pressures," he added.

The fakery included falsification of resumes, Most of them provided false employment information, incorrect tenure, gave away fake designations and some had also had negative supervisor or HR feedback. Manipulated educational information which had degrees from either unrecognized institutes or fake institutes and some had not completed the courses that they had claimed to have done.

Not only the IT sectors the, banking and financial services industry (BFSI) has also received the fake resume menace with major chunk coming from Hyderabad. Hyderabad emerged as one of the top cities with highest number of suspect companies that issued fake resumes.

Noby Nazareth, head of employee verification firm, Evaluationz, said that 25 percent of the resumes that reach him are found to be false or fabricated or exaggerated. This is largely because some candidates have become much "smarter" in faking it and there are some recruitment agencies are even helping them do it. According to Nazareth, a lot of fake resumes involve candidates from Hyderabad.

"Most of these companies who provide fake experience certificates, salary slips and even fake educational certificates are located in Hyderabad, while there are quite a few of them in Bangalore and many other cities as well," said Deepankar Sanwalkar who heads the Forensic Dept of KPMG.

Considering the above facts if we analyze why Hyderabad is leading in fake resumes, we have their state government recently admitting that not more than 10 percent of their engineering graduates are actually employable. Only 12 percent engineering students from Andhra Pradesh were selected in campus recruitment in the previous academic year and the figure declined further in the current year, a recent study by National Association of Software and Services Companies (Nasscom) has shown.

Small or big, all IT companies have faced and continue to face the scourge. Wipro, Infosys, TCS and Cognizant and others say they have taken corrective measures to stop the fakes from getting hired.

It is not only the fake resumes which has brought Hyderabad into the spotlight, during the Tri-valley university, the city drew a lot of attention as the scam claimed that as many as 1,555 students, mostly from Andhra Pradesh enrolled at the Pleasanton School were using fake visas. In a complaint filed Jan 19 in U.S. District Court in San Francisco, the U.S. Attorney's Office alleges that the owner of Tri Valley University used the school to help foreigners illegally obtain student visas that allow them to stay in the U.S.

http://www.siliconindia.com/shownews/Fake_resumes_Hyderabad_leads-nid-85222-cid-30.html

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Tracy Whitney wrote:No offense rashmun, but on this thread, only you are suffering from ulti phenomenon. Don't take this the wrong way, just think of me being your nindak whom you should niyare rakhiye

.

Rashmun wrote:By SiliconIndia | Sunday, 26 June 2011, 20:35 Hrs | 203 Comments
Fake resumes; Hyderabad leads

Bangalore: Every day the Indian IT industry wakes up with new challenges which could be from hiring skilled professionals to cost cutting during recession. Fake resumes are one of them. Since this is the first step in hiring, it makes it all the more difficult for companies to pick the right candidate. Despite having large HR departments, many IT companies have failed in identifying fake resumes. According to Employee verifications firms, recruitment companies and HR heads in the IT sector feel the number of fake resumes floating around have increased fourfold since 2007. Fake resumes have transformed and turned out to be a fine art nowadays. Most IT companies revealed that professionals from Hyderabad faked the most in their resumes.

MindTree terminated 80 employees out of 1000 recruited after it found they had filed false information, according to Subroto Bagchi, Chief Operating Officer, "MindTree is closely monitoring the resumes coming especially from Andhra Pradesh aspirants who provide false information to get a job owing to social pressures," he added.

The fakery included falsification of resumes, Most of them provided false employment information, incorrect tenure, gave away fake designations and some had also had negative supervisor or HR feedback. Manipulated educational information which had degrees from either unrecognized institutes or fake institutes and some had not completed the courses that they had claimed to have done.

Not only the IT sectors the, banking and financial services industry (BFSI) has also received the fake resume menace with major chunk coming from Hyderabad. Hyderabad emerged as one of the top cities with highest number of suspect companies that issued fake resumes.

Noby Nazareth, head of employee verification firm, Evaluationz, said that 25 percent of the resumes that reach him are found to be false or fabricated or exaggerated. This is largely because some candidates have become much "smarter" in faking it and there are some recruitment agencies are even helping them do it. According to Nazareth, a lot of fake resumes involve candidates from Hyderabad.

"Most of these companies who provide fake experience certificates, salary slips and even fake educational certificates are located in Hyderabad, while there are quite a few of them in Bangalore and many other cities as well," said Deepankar Sanwalkar who heads the Forensic Dept of KPMG.

Considering the above facts if we analyze why Hyderabad is leading in fake resumes, we have their state government recently admitting that not more than 10 percent of their engineering graduates are actually employable. Only 12 percent engineering students from Andhra Pradesh were selected in campus recruitment in the previous academic year and the figure declined further in the current year, a recent study by National Association of Software and Services Companies (Nasscom) has shown.

Small or big, all IT companies have faced and continue to face the scourge. Wipro, Infosys, TCS and Cognizant and others say they have taken corrective measures to stop the fakes from getting hired.

It is not only the fake resumes which has brought Hyderabad into the spotlight, during the Tri-valley university, the city drew a lot of attention as the scam claimed that as many as 1,555 students, mostly from Andhra Pradesh enrolled at the Pleasanton School were using fake visas. In a complaint filed Jan 19 in U.S. District Court in San Francisco, the U.S. Attorney's Office alleges that the owner of Tri Valley University used the school to help foreigners illegally obtain student visas that allow them to stay in the U.S.

http://www.siliconindia.com/shownews/Fake_resumes_Hyderabad_leads-nid-85222-cid-30.html

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http://www.telegraphindia.com/1110203/jsp/nation/story_13529664.jsp

Some students, mostly from Andhra, are
under the scanner for a possible hand in the scam and face the risk of
deportation. They have been radio tagged to ensure they can be tracked
if required. US immigration
authorities in Washington have, however, assured Indian ambassador Meera
Shankar that they would use “judgement and good sense” while handling
the case.Andhra police
sources said Tri-Valley authorities claimed the scam was engineered by
Anji Reddy and Ramakrishna Karra, two Andhra employees working in its
international students’ section. Neither can be traced.
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1110203/jsp/nation/story_13529664.jsp

Rashmun wrote:Some students, mostly from Andhra, are
under the scanner for a possible hand in the scam and face the risk of
deportation. They have been radio tagged to ensure they can be tracked
if required. US immigration
authorities in Washington have, however, assured Indian ambassador Meera
Shankar that they would use “judgement and good sense” while handling
the case.Andhra police
sources said Tri-Valley authorities claimed the scam was engineered by
Anji Reddy and Ramakrishna Karra, two Andhra employees working in its
international students’ section. Neither can be traced.
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1110203/jsp/nation/story_13529664.jsp

Incidents like this one bring shame and disgrace upon all Indians in my opinion. Some introspection is required as to why a disproportionate number of Gults are involved in scams involving academia.

Luke Warmus posted Re:Guilty Gultis... immigration fraud...what a shame... on 1 year ago



does all this mean that telugus have a greater innate tendency to be
unethical and fraudulent that other regional groups in india? i don't
know, but i don't believe that to be the case. however, according to
what one reads in the news, a larger number - not necessarily % - of
telugus have engaged in academic and immigration fraud than other
regional groups, in the last fifteen or so years.

what is the explanation for this phenomenon? the easiest is that more
telugus than others aspire to emigrate to the u.s. and improve their
financial position. but why, when u.p. and bihar, for example, have
larger populations?

let me speculate; the answer may lie in the rate of urbanization of what
used to be a largely rural state, the fragmentation of agricultural
land, and the quest for non-agricultural income among people who have
relatively more cash from the sale of agricultural land to developers,
but insufficient qualifications to make a decent, middle-class living.

the phenomena and tendencies i've described above, i suspect, are unique
to andhra pradesh.

http://forums.sulekha.com/forums/coffeehouse/guilty-gultis-immigration-fraud-what-a-shame-1086893.htm

are you for real? i admit i might be suffering from a mental illness but the way you have been going on and on is downright scary. the fact is that you do not have any friends on this site. i really don't know if you are doing this for kicks (i hope you are!) but if you aren't, i'd only advise that you step back, stop posting for a few months, and then reevaluate you stand.

this site does not need you and neither do you need this site.

Huzefa Kapasi wrote:are you for real? i admit i might be suffering from a mental illness but the way you have been going on and on is downright scary. the fact is that you do not have any friends on this site. i really don't know if you are doing this for kicks (i hope you are!) but if you aren't, i'd only advise that you step back, stop posting for a few months, and then reevaluate you stand.

this site does not need you and neither do you need this site.

Huzefa, ever since you publicly disclosed the REAL NAME of another poster by hacking the sulekha account of that other poster, you have no credibility to question the behavior any other poster. Particularly so, when a death threat had been given to that other poster on sulekha.

I have no wish to fight you because of your illness and hence i am for the most part going to ignore you if you continue to try and fight with me.

Rashmun wrote:

Huzefa Kapasi wrote:are you for real? i admit i might be suffering from a mental illness but the way you have been going on and on is downright scary. the fact is that you do not have any friends on this site. i really don't know if you are doing this for kicks (i hope you are!) but if you aren't, i'd only advise that you step back, stop posting for a few months, and then reevaluate you stand.

this site does not need you and neither do you need this site.

Huzefa, ever since you publicly disclosed the REAL NAME of another poster by hacking the sulekha account of that other poster, you have no credibility to question the behavior any other poster. Particularly so, when a death threat had been given to that other poster on sulekha.

I have no wish to fight you because of your illness and hence i am for the most part going to ignore you if you continue to try and fight with me.

Take a walk. Go for a hike. Swim. Dance. Run. Hit the gym. Take a vacation with your beloved. do whatever you want. Just take a break from incessant posting. just my 2 cents.

artood2 wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

Huzefa Kapasi wrote:are you for real? i admit i might be suffering from a mental illness but the way you have been going on and on is downright scary. the fact is that you do not have any friends on this site. i really don't know if you are doing this for kicks (i hope you are!) but if you aren't, i'd only advise that you step back, stop posting for a few months, and then reevaluate you stand.

this site does not need you and neither do you need this site.

Huzefa, ever since you publicly disclosed the REAL NAME of another poster by hacking the sulekha account of that other poster, you have no credibility to question the behavior any other poster. Particularly so, when a death threat had been given to that other poster on sulekha.

I have no wish to fight you because of your illness and hence i am for the most part going to ignore you if you continue to try and fight with me.

Take a walk. Go for a hike. Swim. Dance. Run. Hit the gym. Take a vacation with your beloved. do whatever you want. Just take a break from incessant posting. just my 2 cents.

Thanks for your cute advise.

Rashmun wrote:I have no wish to fight you because of your illness and
hence i am for the most part going to ignore you if you continue to try
and fight with me.

i am glad you recognize my illness. i have no desire to fight you (and that was never my intention) for you can understand i have more urgent preoccupations at hand (like curing my illness). i wish you the best and i wish this for i have had a long and friendly relation with you, over forums, for the last 10 years or more.

Huzefa Kapasi wrote:i am glad you recognize my illness. i have no desire to fight you (and that was never my intention) for you can understand i have more urgent preoccupations at hand (like curing my illness). i wish you the best and i wish this for i have had a long and friendly relation with you, over forums, for the last 10 years or more.

Please try to be neutral. it IS possible to maintain friendly relations with blabberwock, Charvaka, Tracy and Hellsangel and also with Luke Warmus and yours truly.

you are right. in retrospect, i have been carried away!

Huzefa Kapasi wrote:you are right. in retrospect, i have been carried away!

I don't think you got carried away. You gave a pretty sane advice.
You did get carried away when you at 'gulti does ulti' and commented that that was the funniest statement in this forum ever. That was disgusting.

kinnera wrote:

Huzefa Kapasi wrote:you are right. in retrospect, i have been carried away!

I don't think you got carried away. You gave a pretty sane advice.
You did get carried away when you at 'gulti does ulti' and commented that that was the funniest statement in this forum ever. That was disgusting.

Your fellow Gult Propagandhi disagrees with you (and agrees with Huzefa) on the Ulti issue:

https://such.forumotion.com/t5280-jeremiah-mburuburu#41889

huzefa

Have u noticed ever since you disclosed your illness you have not been taken seriously here... I am sorry to say .

I've also noticed that you are very honest about ur feelings refreshing to say the least

one moment you accuse someone the next minute you are contrite

like you are on a roller coaster

god bless sir I love you

chameli wrote:huzefa

Have u noticed ever since you disclosed your illness you have not been taken seriously here... I am sorry to say .

I've also noticed that you are very honest about ur feelings refreshing to say the least

one moment you accuse someone the next minute you are contrite

like you are on a roller coaster

god bless sir I love you

i just want to point out that illness or no illness i have always taken Huzefa very seriously. i want him on my side. and if that's not possible than i want him to be neutral.

this sentence "gulti does ulti " is a damn funny one

it is not derogatory .

if a person has a bad stomach he does ulti ..its nature's way of setting him right

but the reaction it has evoked from the gults is what makes it unsavoury .so lets learn to laugh a little

what GULT stands for "G....ulta is absolutely hilarious .but could hurt a bit

those with a healthy sense of humour will still chortle )

chameli wrote:this sentence "gulti does ulti " is a damn funny one

it is not derogatory .

if a person has a bad stomach he does ulti ..its nature's way of setting him right

but the reaction it has evoked from the gults is what makes it unsavoury .so lets learn to laugh a little

what GULT stands for "G....ulta is absolutely hilarious .but could hurt a bit

those with a healthy sense of humour will still chortle )

in this respect, one has to admire Propagandhi (who is himself a telugu) for laughing at the ulti issue.

https://such.forumotion.com/t5280-jeremiah-mburuburu#41889

Rashmun wrote:

chameli wrote:huzefa

Have u noticed ever since you disclosed your illness you have not been taken seriously here... I am sorry to say .

I've also noticed that you are very honest about ur feelings refreshing to say the least

one moment you accuse someone the next minute you are contrite

like you are on a roller coaster

god bless sir I love you

i just want to point out that illness or no illness i have always taken Huzefa very seriously. i want him on my side. and if that's not possible than i want him to be neutral.

rashmun ,

its not u I am talking about .just an overall observation

huzefa is emotional in his comments he once told me he wants to smash my face on the pavement ha ha ha

i laughed to myself for days following that and wondered how i would look which hospital i would go to and would my left eye stay closed forever ?

lol lol

chameli wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

chameli wrote:huzefa

Have u noticed ever since you disclosed your illness you have not been taken seriously here... I am sorry to say .

I've also noticed that you are very honest about ur feelings refreshing to say the least

one moment you accuse someone the next minute you are contrite

like you are on a roller coaster

god bless sir I love you

i just want to point out that illness or no illness i have always taken Huzefa very seriously. i want him on my side. and if that's not possible than i want him to be neutral.

rashmun ,

its not u I am talking about .just an overall observation

huzefa is emotional in his comments he once told me he wants to smash my face on the pavement ha ha ha

i laughed to myself for days following that and wondered how i would look which hospital i would go to and would my left eye stay closed forever ?

lol lol

both huzefa and you have big hearts.

rashmun,

admire unpropafuckedup? uh huh ! not a chance

he has the vilest mouth this side of the mississippi he uses the crudest language ,he thinks he is Apollo gods gift to women demeaning them constantly

but i see what u mean

what can I say Rashmun ..a big thank u I suppose

*bowing deeply

*aside ....look ahead ...... disregard the cleavage lol

Rashmun wrote:Some students, mostly from Andhra, are
under the scanner for a possible hand in the scam and face the risk of
deportation. They have been radio tagged to ensure they can be tracked
if required. US immigration
authorities in Washington have, however, assured Indian ambassador Meera
Shankar that they would use “judgement and good sense” while handling
the case.Andhra police
sources said Tri-Valley authorities claimed the scam was engineered by
Anji Reddy and Ramakrishna Karra, two Andhra employees working in its
international students’ section. Neither can be traced.
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1110203/jsp/nation/story_13529664.jsp

Whenever one hears of some scam or fraud in academic circles in America that has been done by an Indian, there is a very high probability of that Indian being a Gult. This is something that needs to be explained--why corruption is being exported out of AP into other countries.

---------------

Anil Potti, of course a Gult, is a cancer biologist who was found faking and fudging his own data. He was working in the prestigious Duke University before he was fired for deliberately faking and fudging data in his papers. He recently retracted his tenth paper after the data he gave in his papers was found to be cooked up.

http://itvnewstelugu.bagelsplus-nh.com/163/tenth-potti-retraction-appears-in-clinical-cancer-research/

kinnera wrote:You did get carried away when you at 'gulti does ulti' and commented that that was the funniest statement in this forum ever. That was disgusting.

just a bit of fun kinns. i was not being serious.

Huzefa Kapasi wrote:

kinnera wrote:You did get carried away when you at 'gulti does ulti' and commented that that was the funniest statement in this forum ever. That was disgusting.

just a bit of fun kinns. i was not being serious.

actually, the whole term is funny. jisne ki ulti, wo to saaf ho gaya ulti karke, lekin jispe ki, wo post pe post kiye ja raha hai.

question is, which gulti did ulti on who?

chameli wrote:Have u noticed ever since you disclosed your illness you have not been taken seriously here... I am sorry to say .

nothing to be sorry about. most of the times i do not wish to be taken seriously anyway. if i am being serious, illness or no illness, i make sure people take me seriously.

one moment you accuse someone the next minute you are contrite

as i mentioned, i do have a soft corner for rashmun 'cos of our long history. once i have made my point, i like to resume the cordial relation instead of belabouring my point endlessly. with you -- what can i say? you are so cute, funny, charming and witty that i cannot be upset with you for long.

Huzefa Kapasi wrote:

chameli wrote:Have u noticed ever since you disclosed your illness you have not been taken seriously here... I am sorry to say .

nothing to be sorry about. most of the times i do not wish to be taken seriously anyway. if i am being serious, illness or no illness, i make sure people take me seriously.

one moment you accuse someone the next minute you are contrite

as i mentioned, i do have a soft corner for rashmun 'cos of our long history. once i have made my point, i like to resume the cordial relation instead of belabouring my point. with you -- what can i say? you are so cute, funny, charming and witty that i cannot be upset with you for long.

btw Huzefa, have you tried Ayurvedic massage? Please try it if you have not.

ayurvedic massage? haven't heard of that. will check it out. thanks!

Huzefa Kapasi wrote:ayurvedic massage? haven't heard of that. will check it out. thanks!

try the Kerala Ayurvedic massage. there must be some places offering it nearby. it'll make you feel better for sure.

another suggestion: find out about some good ayurvedic doctor then meet him and describe your problem in detail to him. he will then prescribe some specific massage and will even specify what oil(s) to be used in your massage. he may even refer some massage place to you. many of these kerala ayurvedic doctors run their own massage places.

Rashmun wrote:

Huzefa Kapasi wrote:ayurvedic massage? haven't heard of that. will check it out. thanks!

try the Kerala Ayurvedic massage. there must be some places offering it nearby. it'll make you feel better for sure.

another suggestion: find out about some good ayurvedic doctor then meet him and describe your problem in detail to him. he will then prescribe some specific massage and will even specify what oil(s) to be used in your massage. he may even refer some massage place to you. many of these kerala ayurvedic doctors run their own massage places.

do NOT take any medication prescribed by these ayurvedic doctors since i am informed that these ayurvedic medicines are often prepared in unhygienic conditions. restrict yourself to the massage.

yes, medications can be dubious for they do not disclose the ingredients. i'll look for a massage centre in the city.

Huzefa Kapasi wrote:yes, medications can be dubious for they do not disclose the ingredients. i'll look for a massage centre in the city.

let us know how the massage experience went.

Rashmun wrote:

Huzefa Kapasi wrote:yes, medications can be dubious for they do not disclose the ingredients. i'll look for a massage centre in the city.

let us know how the massage experience went.

you can title your massage experience post 'Togofogo Nights Part 2' if you wish to.

Rashmun wrote:
i just want to point out that illness or no illness i have always taken Huzefa very seriously. i want him on my side. and if that's not possible than i want him to be neutral.

[i]

Whatttt... you think you are on some kind of Jehad against this site and the rest of us ?

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

Rashmun wrote:
i just want to point out that illness or no illness i have always taken Huzefa very seriously. i want him on my side. and if that's not possible than i want him to be neutral.

[i]

Whatttt... you think you are on some kind of Jehad against this site and the rest of us ?

Uppili, i don't know why you have a misconception about me. i happen to have a lot of affection for you.

p.s. i want you on my side as well.

Tracy Whitney wrote:

Huzefa Kapasi wrote:

kinnera wrote:You did get carried away when you at 'gulti does ulti' and commented that that was the funniest statement in this forum ever. That was disgusting.

just a bit of fun kinns. i was not being serious.

actually, the whole term is funny. jisne ki ulti, wo to saaf ho gaya ulti karke, lekin jispe ki, wo post pe post kiye ja raha hai.

question is, which gulti did ulti on who?

LOL! which gulti did ulti, we do not know. But on who, we all know. Wohi post pe post kar raha hi aur uska tan aur man bahut gandha hai.
Let's hope that he gets cleansed inside and out.

Rashmun wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

Rashmun wrote:
i just want to point out that illness or no illness i have always taken Huzefa very seriously. i want him on my side. and if that's not possible than i want him to be neutral.

[i]

Whatttt... you think you are on some kind of Jehad against this site and the rest of us ?

Uppili, i don't know why you have a misconception about me. i happen to have a lot of affection for you.

p.s. i want you on my side as well.

Major buttering going on here. LOL. It sure seems to have worked for him and the lady(?) with Huze as is obvious above. Good luck with the others .

i see his wooing has had no effect on you kinns. what was it? chocolates? he forgot to bring chocolates?

Huzefa Kapasi wrote:i see his wooing has had no effect on you kinns. what was it? chocolates? he forgot to bring chocolates?

LOL! No, it's not the words or chocolates or flowers or anything of that sort that can show effect on me. It's the clean mind that does. i guess i'm a tough cookie. I don't see myself getting wooed by him or the lady(?) anytime sooner.